axulsuv Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 How can we say our sport is not growing ? just look at the user count on this board ! since I've been here there are 4800 + new members , and alot of them hang on .... The event I rode last weekend had alot of interested spectators of all ages ... All seemed to be keen on the point of it being a competition and not a "race" .... Let's pick the ball back up from when it was dropped in the mid 70's and show all of motorcycledom what a fine sport trials IS !!!! And it at all levels is a family freindly pastime... Bored, waiting for paint to dry !.!.!. , Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofasttim Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Is it the sport growing or is it access to the internet that's growing? There's certainly a lot of interest from the off-road (enduro) crowd. But how many of them have the patience to stick with the sport is an unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest majestyman340 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 How can we say our sport is not growing ? just look at the user count on this board ! since I've been here there are 4800 + new members , and alot of them hang on .... The event I rode last weekend had alot of interested spectators of all ages ... All seemed to be keen on the point of it being a competition and not a "race" .... Let's pick the ball back up from when it was dropped in the mid 70's and show all of motorcycledom what a fine sport trials IS !!!! And it at all levels is a family freindly pastime...Bored, waiting for paint to dry !.!.!. , Glenn Many people are becoming disillusioned with the various speed sports due to many reasons not least of which is the cost, and the chances of serious injurys. Trials is a sport that unless you require the latest works "replica" type machinery, with all the silly trinkets fitted, is still relatively inexpensive, with little chance of injury............................Does seem a bit of a shame that there isnt a lot of info around to point complete beginners in the right direction though, and maybe a beginner specific web page, would be something that would be very useful to newcomers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 There is one thing that I believe that will accelerate trials almost instantly into fame and fortune..... It's a tried and tested method and has worked very very well in other wheeled sports. What is this you say? .. Well , what we need is a Toni Bou mega computer game. It will need to be produced by one of the main game producers (EA GAMES for example) and be well packaged and marketed (as they know how to do well) plus many other things.. The effects will be dramatic.. Anyone who thinks computer games are just for kids is way out of date. A survey produced in 2006 showed that in the US, 4 out of 10 adults play computer games. (maybe 60-70 million people?). Across Europe the picture is similar. When Red Lynx produced the web game Trials, it topped the Miniclip website's top 10 for nearly 4 months and new releases of the game have shot straight to number one. You need a lot of people playing the game to do that. They all can't be trials fans already as there simply isn't enough of us. The latest release (trials2) is still in the top 10 now. This is a game franchise that's around four years old! The only thing that has to be done is making the link between people playing the game and then having a go for real. Right now that is a big hole, but it could be plugged with some creative thinking and action from people in the right places... Where there's a will there's a way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofasttim Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Can't wait for the eye-toy version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest majestyman340 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 There is one thing that I believe that will accelerate trials almost instantly into fame and fortune..... It's a tried and tested method and has worked very very well in other wheeled sports.What is this you say? .. Well , what we need is a Toni Bou mega computer game. It will need to be produced by one of the main game producers (EA GAMES for example) and be well packaged and marketed (as they know how to do well) plus many other things.. The effects will be dramatic.. Anyone who thinks computer games are just for kids is way out of date. A survey produced in 2006 showed that in the US, 4 out of 10 adults play computer games. (maybe 60-70 million people?). Across Europe the picture is similar. When Red Lynx produced the web game Trials, it topped the Miniclip website's top 10 for nearly 4 months and new releases of the game have shot straight to number one. You need a lot of people playing the game to do that. They all can't be trials fans already as there simply isn't enough of us. The latest release (trials2) is still in the top 10 now. This is a game franchise that's around four years old! The only thing that has to be done is making the link between people playing the game and then having a go for real. Right now that is a big hole, but it could be plugged with some creative thinking and action from people in the right places... Where there's a will there's a way Maybe that will mean trials becoming like MX, with plenty of chav like yobs attending all the bigger meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofasttim Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Nah. Chavs have the attention span of a goldfish. Somehow both trials and enduros seem to attract a better class of participant and spectator. Maybe it's because you can't sit in one place and be entertained or it's all to subtle for their tiny little brains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyo Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Let's pick the ball back up from when it was dropped in the mid 70's and show all of motorcycledom what a fine sport trials IS Here in the UK there was a terrestrial channel T.V. show called 'Kickstart' (as described in another thread). It showed the top riders of the day, Eddy Lejeunne, Mick Andrews etc riding over various man made and natural obstacles including VW Beetles etc. The UK nation loved it, eventually spawning a 'Junior' Version of the show. The best way to attract interest in the sport is for another bout of mainstream T.V. coverage. Computer games are fine for those interested in that sort of thing, however you need Mum and Dad sitting with their kids watching it infront of the box on a Saturday night. If it's done correctly like 'Kickstart' was then you'll soon have an influx of wannabe's knocking on their local clubs doors. Some may derride the MX crowd as being chav's, I know a lot of the MX crowd and you'll get a chav in any field of sport. However these "Chav's" have money to spend - some have rich parents happy to throw money at little johnny and his new found obsession. If some of these throw their money at trials then where's the harm in that. The problem with some people is that they can't see how to make progress and help lift the sport back on it's feet again. Motorcycling in the UK is still a minor sport compared to other countries such as Spain and France. I know, I've actively been involved in the Supermoto world for the past 6 years or so and I know how hard it is to find backing for anybody that's into 2 wheels, whether supermoto, MX, road-racing or even trials. Take the case of a certain D.Lampkin - how many times has he been World Champion? How often do you hear his name mentioned outside of the circles of motorcycling in the UK? He could pull a moonie at the queen and get his picture in the papers and hardly anybody in the UK would recognise him as the Multi-World Trials champion that he is. However I bet his Dad was recognised in the street when Kickstart was on the T.V.. Shaun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Does seem a bit of a shame that there isnt a lot of info around to point complete beginners in the right direction though, and maybe a beginner specific web page, would be something that would be very useful to newcomers? The NETA has a beginners page: http://www.newenglandtrials.org/Getting_Started_Brochure.pdf Other clubs could do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Here in the UK there was a terrestrial channel T.V. show called 'Kickstart' (as described in another thread). It showed the top riders of the day, Eddy Lejeunne, Mick Andrews etc riding over various man made and natural obstacles including VW Beetles etc. The UK nation loved it, eventually spawning a 'Junior' Version of the show. The best way to attract interest in the sport is for another bout of mainstream T.V. coverage. Computer games are fine for those interested in that sort of thing, however you need Mum and Dad sitting with their kids watching it infront of the box on a Saturday night. If it's done correctly like 'Kickstart' was then you'll soon have an influx of wannabe's knocking on their local clubs doors. Some may derride the MX crowd as being chav's, I know a lot of the MX crowd and you'll get a chav in any field of sport. However these "Chav's" have money to spend - some have rich parents happy to throw money at little johnny and his new found obsession. If some of these throw their money at trials then where's the harm in that. The problem with some people is that they can't see how to make progress and help lift the sport back on it's feet again. Motorcycling in the UK is still a minor sport compared to other countries such as Spain and France. I know, I've actively been involved in the Supermoto world for the past 6 years or so and I know how hard it is to find backing for anybody that's into 2 wheels, whether supermoto, MX, road-racing or even trials. Take the case of a certain D.Lampkin - how many times has he been World Champion? How often do you hear his name mentioned outside of the circles of motorcycling in the UK? He could pull a moonie at the queen and get his picture in the papers and hardly anybody in the UK would recognise him as the Multi-World Trials champion that he is. However I bet his Dad was recognised in the street when Kickstart was on the T.V.. Shaun. Valid comments but what I suspect we would both agree on is trials needs high level media exposure. Both ways would do this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilc0 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 There is one thing that I believe that will accelerate trials almost instantly into fame and fortune..... It's a tried and tested method and has worked very very well in other wheeled sports.What is this you say? .. Well , what we need is a Toni Bou mega computer game. It will need to be produced by one of the main game producers (EA GAMES for example) and be well packaged and marketed (as they know how to do well) plus many other things.. The effects will be dramatic.. I can't help but feel the only people making the fortune would be the game producer's,Trial's would'nt see a penny. 99% of the people playing the game would'nt want to get out of a nice warm bed on a cold sunday morning. Personaly i think Trial's at this moment in time is pretty much on the level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I can't help but feel the only people making the fortune would be the game producer's,Trial's would'nt see a penny. We of course would want the game's producer to make a lot of dosh. If they do then, they would have sold a lot of games and therefore highly increased the chance of new people coming into the sport. Also, Toni Bou would do alright financially . I would suggest he would earn way more on game endorsements than he would ever riding for Honda. Because of this, trials would see the money coming through greater interest in the sport ensuring increased bike sales, spares,clothes etc. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilc0 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 We of course would want the game's producer to make a lot of dosh. If they do then, they would have sold a lot of games and therefore highly increased the chance of new people coming into the sport. Also, Toni Bou would do alright financially . I would suggest he would earn way more on game endorsements than he would ever riding for Honda. Because of this, trials would see the money coming through greater interest in the sport ensuring increased bike sales, spares,clothes etc. IMHO That would make Bou into the beckham of Trial's,don't think we need any of our rider's with there head's stuck that far up there backsides do we? I just can't see people buying bikes and getting out and doing it just because a game.i speak to plenty of people who watch trials on sky when it's on,and when i say when you getting a bike and i even invite them to come with me to a trial sometime,they just look at me and say no thank's. Trials is a required tatse and i think we should be proud of that, and don't sell our butt's down the line just to make it more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 That would make Bou into the beckham of Trial's,don't think we need any of our rider's with there head's stuck that far up there backsides do we? Not David Beckham, more like Tony Hawk - Legend I just can't see people buying bikes and getting out and doing it just because a game.i speak to plenty of people who watch trials on sky when it's on,and when i say when you getting a bike and i even invite them to come with me to a trial sometime,they just look at me and say no thank's.Trials is a required tatse and i think we should be proud of that, and don't sell our butt's down the line just to make it more money. Fair comment but I disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelmoore Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 The obviious answer is "Orange County Observed Trials". We can have have Junior deraking his bike by cutting the steering head partially off with a cutting torch and then running it into a brick wall (but forgetting to weld it back up afterwards) and Dad will be the observer and will shout abuse and throw pinecones and stones at Junior as he attempts to ride through a section. cheers, Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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