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Awesome! Congrats!!!
I sourced a couple silver aftermarket fenders for it from an outfit in colorado on ebay, cool guys. I think they have them custom made by UFO?
Got a new front fender brace from BJ racing (TL125 but heard its an easy spacer mod to make work), as well as an airfilter and new throttle setup.
Wheelbearings, steering bearings, and fork seals from All Balls.
Rest of stuff I was able to order oem honda stuff...carb bits, petcock bits, side cover gaskets, brake/clutch cables, etc etc
Wish there was a source for affordable side covers...may be a project for this summer. Mine are good enough to pull molds from.
About the only other thing I could not source was the proper gasket for the airbox lid. Will just do a custom one with some foam and weather strip adhesive. And the chain guide that is just infront of the rear sprocket off the bottom of the swingarm. Not hard to fab, maybe scrounge from another bike? When your snapping pics of your new scooter take some closeups of that lower rear chain guide please!
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Thanks guys! Got a bunch of stuff ordered up for it today.
Going to get the forks stripped down so then everything will be about ready to start going back together once stuff starts showing up.
Parts are not easy to get for this puppy.
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I have been looking for a vintage trials bike.
This came up the other day. One owner 1976 TL 250 Honda. 85ish% complete. Came with original owners manual and the original MSO from St Johns Honda bought in 77.
It had sat for 10+ years. The 72 year old that owned it was a really cool dude. It would not run when I showed up. I asked him if he would mind if I spent an hour or so trying to get it started. If we got it goin I would give him his asking price.
Fresh oil/gas and a shot of starting fluid and she was running.
I took it around the yard...stuck throttle cable would barely let it rev, no brakes, but it sounded healthy, and shifted through the gears great.
I wheeled it over near the old fellow that owned it and said...hop on! He looked at me funny for a few seconds...then jumped on. He could not work his leg good enough to start it...so I kicked it over for him. BAM he was off to the races tearing around his yard. Big old **** eating grin from ear to ear!
He brought it back over eventually after hopping over a stump or 2 and a couple small wheelies :clap: . I said well...you want to keep it, or should I load it up?
He replied that he would be happy to give it a new home...but was VERY glad to be able to ride it one last time. He hadnt riden for about 20 years, and I wonder if he ever will again? Anyways I am stoked and its getting some much needed love! I told him I would call if I get it ready in time for the vintage trials up in Crooked River Ranch end of April. He was stoked that I was going to clean it up and use it and that he could come see it in action maybe. =thumbup
Pretty trick old bike. Honda hired Sammy Miller to help design them. Sold in 76 only I think. Mine was made in June of 75...one month older than I am!
Aluminum fuel tank has a couple dents...but is in great shape for how old it is. And its Aluminum so NO RUST!!!!
Carb and petcock were gunked really bad. Got em soaking. Suprised I was able to get it running...its a Honda.
Still a ways to go but there was a motor under all the grime afterall!!
Aluminum wheels and rear sprocket to shave some weight.
Years of dirt and grime getting removed (not easy with a broken thumb!)
Odds and ends are scattered across 2 workbenches.
Exhaust was funky...glassbeaded and some fresh hightemp.
What they looked like new!!!
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I believe its slightly different...but this post has some good pics of the carb on my 01 315.
http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/topic/35153-dellorto-phbl26bs-weirdness/
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The way I posted is how every conventional fork goes together.
You DO NOT put the upper and lower together after putting in the bushing and seals.
Slide the forks together, than put the bushing and seals in. You will destroy your seals trying it like your doing.
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Your putting it together in the wrong order.
1. slide upper and lower together with bushing at the bottom of the inner tube in place
2. drive the outer bushing into the top of the lower leg
3. flat washer
4. drive in oil seal
5. dust seal
pvc pipe works a treat to drive bushings and seals. I taper the inside edge so as not to mess up the oil seal.
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Nice they put pics of the wrong carb in the manual LOL.
Bike is back together.
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Ya what he said?! If your seals are in your upper and lower legs should ALREADY be together!
If you talking about the retainer ring above the seal...not sure what the problem is.
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wow 536 views?!?!? Hopefully you all are signing that stuff!!!
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What really threw me off on all this is that my 02 manual that I have shows a sub airfilter, and the dellorto diagram I was originally looking at must of been wrong also.
I found this cool pdf on the dellorto site.
The top link.
http://www.dellorto.it/supdoc.asp
It does say something about some carbs having a seperate idle air intake to negate the effects of the pulses in the airbox. Those carbs have one of the holes in the intake bell plugged.
Interesting reading anyways!!
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1st Watch this video!
http://www.trailsintrouble.org/
Then sign this please!!!
http://access-advocates.org/backcountry_petition/index.php
And one more to sign please!!!
http://www.sharetrails.org/rapid_response/
Your voice can make a difference!
Please spread this around to as many people as possible!!!
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Appreciate the help guys!
Im slappin it back together. Guess I was worried about nothin!
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Now I dont think I need any parts!? Will file that # away though! Should get a gasket kit to have on hand at least.
Comparing the 2 carb diagrams on the apexmotor site looks as if I am good to go. Can anyone confirm 01 315r NO emulsion tube under pilot and NO sub air filter just the bracket up near brake mc where it was on earlier bikes??
And since I have it on the bench...what is the stock jetting??
Mine is setup as follows
110main
33 pilot
117? (hard to read) needle 2nd clip from top
My riding varies from 1000ft to 6000ft majority spent around 4000
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Sorry I understood...just trying to figure where it may have hooked to? Seems odd my bike has the bracket for the sub air filter but no where to hook it to the carb?
I was mistaken my owners manual is 2002. I found one pic that I believe shows the fitting that the sub air filter hooks to, my carb definetely does NOT have that fitting or anywhere it could go.
And thanks for that Apex diagram...I shoulda thought of that too. MUCH better than the one I found.
So...looks like my carb has NO emulsion tube under the pilot, and NO subairfilter just a bracket where it would of been?
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Well my bike had the bracket for the filter up near the rear brake MC? It was bent back out of the way when I got it. Where would that hook to on the carb?? A fitting in the red circled hole above??
This is the diagram I have been going from. Also have a 2002 owners manual that I got with the bike. Did carbs change between 01 and 02?
http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/images/dellorto/explview/PHBL-ExplViewLG.gif #5 is the possible missing emulsion tube? Does this place have the wrong diagram??? Its the only place in the USA I found Dellorto stuff.
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I just stripped my carb down off my 2001 315. I got this bike used not to long ago.
When I got it, it was missing the small airfilter that leads to the port across from the airscrew?
I rigged a filter for that, but now that I have it all stripped down it seems that port does not go anywhere? Just bottoms out. I soaked the carby and blew threw everything?
Now Im wondering if I have something screwy??? Not the original carb??
Also, there was no emulsion tube under the pilot jet??? There should be right??? All diagrams I have found show one!
Bike starts, idles etc ok even with all this weirdness? Though the airscrew had very little affect thus me tearing it down.
So I am trying to order the emulsion tube along with a gasket set...not easy in the USA. The one shop that sells the stuff does not have a listed phone # so I get to wait for an email reply!?!? Ugg.
Anyways what do I have going on here????????????
This hole does not go through???
Is this the original carb?
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Everything is known to cause cancer in California.
Pay no attention to that!
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Guessing the rules only cover the tread pattern and not the construction?
I know I run a X11 on my KTM 200 as well as running them on the Trials bike...so at least I personally can dig the OP wanting to experiment. Like I said people have been grooving and cutting up new tires for a looooong time!
I ran across this vid tonight...really shows the different siping designs and some differences in the knobs.
http://vimeo.com/12578353
So ya try it out yet????
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I get that we need to all be on the same tread pattern. Just curious how long we have been on it? Since the beginning of Trials?
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Experimenting is good! People have been slicing up perfectly good tires about as long as there have been motorcycles!
Curious as a trials rookie, how long have we been using the same tread design? Why? Looks just like a tire off a 70's enduro bike (Im sure compounds are MUCH different but the tread sure looks about the same)...surely there is room for improvement? When was the last big tire breakthrough?
Don't get me wrong I think they work awesome I run one on my KTM as well! Just that sometimes regulations hold back improvements.
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x2 I have polished up a few inner fork dings with good sucess using a wetstone with some oil on it.
You just have to take the high spots down so they dont tear the seal. It may "weep" a tiny bit from the low spot but you wont blow seals anymore.
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I just went through this as I got a GoPro for xmas.
Im on a XP PC still and the movie maker for it I could not get updated to accept the files from the cam.
I ended up with Pinnacle Studio. So far I like it. Still getting the hang of things. Seems easy to figure things out in, and also has lots of easy export options like straight to youtube. Which I like as I hate dealing with compression codecs etc.
Price ranges from 39 to 120$ depending on the package.
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If it ran before than just sat I would not go pulling the flywheel just yet!
Fresh plug, clean carb, clean tank, fresh gas. Bet it purrs like a kitten!
While your working on the above...put a lil marvel mystery oil in the cylinder. Or at least some 2 stroke oil, spin it over a bit and let it set while you work on cleanin stuff up!
Way cool bike! I could only dream of such stuff when I was a kid! Parents wanted no part of 2 wheel motor toys! hah.
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