I still don't see whats wrong with the old scoring system 1 for a dab, 2 for two dabs and so on, that was easy observing, as well as the time limit most club riders will not stand there all day balacing on the bike but they may stop and eye up the obstacle, and as far as the btc thats what the time limit was brought in for. To me i thought trials was about balance & bike control so why should you have a penalty for balancing for a few seconds, i ride club trials to have a bit of fun & meet others, my club lets you ride what you feel ( stop, no stop) & thats why there are different classes for those who can not hop & bounce if needed