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If the championship was held in Europe would it not be a European Championship. I don't know how much you know Gizza5 but the cost to compete in a world round is just ridiculous. Excluding travel the kiwis have to pay $100 for our federation licence, $250 per event FIM licence, $550 insurance required to get your fim licence per event or $900------450gb pounds. That gets you the paperwork so you can enter, hire/buy a bike,travel, accommodation ect . Don't forget if you have a minder double the paperwork cost. You then turn up to the Spanish world round and day one time is so tight you just take 5s from section 4 on lap 3 just to get a finish. happy kiwis.
I would love to know what the costs are for you guys. Now for media, dear FIM where is the reviews on DVD this year. Love to see them, especially trials des nations but no nothing available.
So I agree gizza5 something needs to be done, and I ask why no reviews, why insurance costs are the same for trials as for moto gp, mx, isle of man tt, surly the risk is less. Why is the FIM licence so much. Do the FIM realise the 125 class has the lowest entries last year it has ever had and thats the future of the world rounds.
I have no answers but reducing the cost to compete would be a good starting point.
Remember the world rounds going to Aussie or the USA gives riders from the host nations a chance to compete at a world round, or at least see the top guys ride
Happy new year and keep your feet up
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I will say the 3 Kiwi riders, well done to them
But most all the OBSERVERS, BACK ROOM HELPERS, and all those that helped out that without them the event would be a no go
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You need to cut the Gas Gas guard shorter at the back or it tangles with the front pipe and guess what, your new mudguard becomes another part sacrificed to the god of gravity.
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The main point is this information should have been made public 12 months ago. If you want to ride a world round and are underweight its no big deal you cable tie a house brick behind your headlight.
But if you have just purchased a 300cc bike which is 2cc over the limit it is a expensive exercise to conform to the 290cc rule. It is a complete disrespect for the non factory supported riders. FIM said they would make it more accessible by changing the rules well I am still waiting for these changes. My sons new bike a 300 Beta is still sailing its way here not even got it yet and this news hits. Planning underway for competing in Aussie world round. True most not effected by these changes but put yourself in our ( and riders like us) shoes.
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Most of the entry at a world round are lads giving it a go. Now they own bikes that they need new head barrel piston. They pay more per section than the weekend warrior pays for a days sport, and that's just for insurance and FIM licence. Trials is fast becoming a sport for the rich. Why is the new minimum weight more than most production bikes and maximum cc less than the production bikes, it does not make any sense. we need to rethink 2014 Aussie world round and TDN? may just stay home
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That should be too light and too big in cc capacity. Are the FIM writing the scrip's for the new monty python as they sure are making me laugh with the rulebook.
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Where is this cc capacity rule please. FIM website still has 2013 regs.
How can a standard bike out of a factory not meet the regs of the competition they were designed for being too heavy and too big in cc capacity.
Pete
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Old enough to know better, young enough to give it a go. Youth is wasted on the young.
New year with a new hobby what could be better ?
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Forget the rules for a moment, the problem with lack of entrys is cost, which the FIM seem to overlook.. Travel to and from well not a lot can be done about that. Bike costs are they that expensive, compere them to a MX or enduro bike. I know plenty think we should go back to riding old technology. Licences that is set by the FIM and they could reduce that. Insurance why cant the FIM strike a deal with some insurance company that would reduce the cost. Now people who are reading this that don't realise here is a example of skyrocket costs.
Mens New Zealand TDN team each rider had to have a NZ competition licence plus
Fim licence 250nz$
insurance 450nz$
700 nz$ that's about 350 pound plus entry fee (don't know what that was our federation paid that) and you can now ride in the TDN. Remember that's per rider, plus bike and running costs. Add to that another lot of insurance and 60 quid FIM licence per minder and costs are creeping up. I forgot to mention your medical to get your FIM licence (we pay for that you may get it free in UK)
So 350 quid for 2 laps of 18 sections that's 10 quid per section.
Why is the FIM licence so expensive, Insurance for a kiwi to compete in Europe is 3675 nz$ or 1837gb pounds approx. per year more for the USA. That is insurance for just competing remember not travel.
IT cost our TDN team half the cost of a new bike per rider, for one event they could not afford to ride the world round the week before as that was more insurance and more licence, so why don't the FIM try to reduce the cost that they can control.
The rules have little to do with falling entrys
Pete Haynes
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Just had a email from my federation of the new trial rules 2013 assessment. Take a look it must be on the FIM website. Rose coloured specs. The assessment was done by someone with one eye that is full of non stop. The way I read it all is the problems they have had is caused by section setters, riders, or observers. Well that's true, that's all you can blame theres no one else. A couple of things that made me smile
Riders need technical and strategic adaption
Observers to adapt their way of seeing in order to judge not moving forwards in the same way as they had been used to judging moving backwards for many years.
You would at least think the FIM assessment be more of a balanced view good, bad, ugly as it has not been a bed of roses.
Have a great weekend and I hope the observers at your event adapt there way of seeing
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I guess this is how it works. Riders who are prepared to go put there hands up, a committee made up of the manager and acu people and interested parties pick the team using some sort of form book and are they team players ect.. Your team has obviously been picked using world champ standings. You may agree or disagree with the team chosen but now you support the team and hope the riders give it their best shot.. They cant do more but you guys picking fault does not help make for a strong team.
So finally I will say
GO THE KIWIS you make us proud to be New Zealanders
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Yes lets get back to basics. Ban the media and sponsorship and call it mudplugging.
This site will be the first to go come the revolution.
POWER TO THE TRIALS PEOPLE
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We are competing on a 07 ktm 250 2t. Its fine has low hours and has had a easy life. Don't think you need the latest bike for starting out. When the bikes holding you back you can buy something new.
Warning you will have dreams, maybe wet ones or even nightmares but one word will feature always EXTREAM. With a trials background it has to be in the bucket list to complete a extream enduro.
So when that day comes remember Pain is temporarily quitting is forever.
Pete
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HI
The change is not so easy. All possible but will take time. You will be slow but you have guessed that, your upper body will not belong to you. Trials is all legs, you don't realise until you ride a big bike, heavy tall beasts they are. Enduros are long, around 5 hours. No walking sections just riding, well you could be pushing at times. your first few you will be totally stuffed. you will love it.
Bike choice is not easy either. What class will suit you, 2 t 4 t big or small cc. Remember a 300 2t will do well over the legal speed limit, scary fast . The small cc need lots of gear changes in comparison.
The best thing is to go along to a enduro and talk to people they are a good group of people. The people left at the pits have to be friendly as the riders are away most of the day.
Last thing is its a lot more expensive. My son has just made the change ( trials is still part of his fun) and the last enduro we went to was 220km, that's around 15 lts of fuel for a 250 2t. He was 12th fastest in the 3rd terrain test, fell off in terrain test 5 and from then on he was in the last 6 in all the test after that. no injuries just knackered.
If this sound like your kind of fun LETS GO RIDE.
Pete
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world trials goes non stop, the stop likers hated this.
after a couple of rounds of non stop/pause the non stop likers hate this.
So who likes this, I am guessing the observers do. well someone must?
The promoters invest a lot of cash to get a world round so if you boycott , they loose out not the fim.
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That's why its called a trials bike. If breagh theory is true why do we see riders on enduro bikes hopping on the rear wheel, balancing then starting off again and doing all the trials tricks with mx type tyres and around 100kg of bike . Skill levels have changed
Pete
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Can someone please tell me how non stop makes the sport more economically viable. To compete at world level is very VERY expensive. The rules have changed not the cost. The Fim would be better off reducing the costs that they are in charge of. Licence, insurance, entry ect.
The cost to go and ride your local trial has not changed, how will no stop sell more bikes. The argument of bikes are to specialised is just a joke, Road racers, enduro, mx are also specialised, they don't ride down to the pub (well not often) on there bikes.
The non stop at world level is crap. non stop well stop a bit if you want I will turn a blind eye. We now have this farce that is not non stop or stop allowed.
If you get the chance to see a endurocross in real life go. You will not be disappointed, fast exciting, crashing bashing full on racing, all on postage stamp in front of you
Pete.
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My son is 17, was 3rd overall in the recent nationals in New Zealand. Talking with his mates he thinks non-stop is the best thing to happen for Enduro. A lot are just looking for bikes, National enduro increased to 8 rounds, new junior enduro series, extream enduro series 4 rounds.and a 3 day enduro. All exciting stuff.
Trials goes non-stop So what will you chose in his shoes.
Please dont come back with the cost factor, he rode a enduro cross on his trials bike finished third won 80 pounds and a rear tyre, looking for a bike that it will fit onto.
Extreame enduros is the only motorsport thats growing, and a lot of riders are moving into it from trials, non-stop will speed this up.
I know in my day we smoked 20 fags rode to work all week rode the same bike in a trial all in wellies and a flat cap, by eck it was rait good. Them days are gone, and non stop should be the same.
Pete
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Hi
Most riders away at the NZ champs, way down south. It is a small sport in NZ. So you will be suprised at the cost of bikes. www.trademe.co.nz gives you a idea, just search trials. Nelson, Marlborough trials centre is the only shop, google it. Most importers do it out of there garage. www.ixion.org.nz is the club in wellington, Manawatu orion mcc www.momcc.co.nz is close to masterton. Riders travel a long way to ride compared to GB. Just remember our season is coming to a close, and not a lot on in January due to most being on the summer holidays. will you be on holiday, The riders from the ixion club are out most weekends.
Pete
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