totalshell

2012 troll award goes to.... although the poster seems mired since the act of proscription

frankly i enjoy the walk to sections .. my brother and i once walked from kinlochleven to loch eilde cottage in the pouring rain.. we were the only spectators there.. we spoke to every rider one of my best trials days ever. taken the mountain bike over the mamore road as well sunshining skies blue trials bikes heaven..

and thus ineligble for the Scottish..

look how many bikes there are on ebay.. couiple of years ago typing 'trials' on motorcycles would have got about 100 hits this am there are 230.. so more bikes on open market. i suspect a couple of reasons for this.. riders are selling bikes that sit in the back of sheds unused for the cash in hand during the recesssion and dealers arent taking bikes on px.. or rather theyre offer very little to px a bike as they dont want cant afford to hold bikes in stock and importantly the sale of new bikes will have fallen through the floor as how many can afford to lash 4-5k at the moment.. so in short heavily used / neglected bikes are plentiful but nice clean bikes are in short supply.. or as in my case i bought a beta new several years ago frankly the bike design is much unchanged over that period of time my riding cant make the most of it as it is, its in a1 condition so why would i change other than fashion..

we ( classic trails as a genre) do not need a b'stard class this weekends talmag and 85 riding at the yorks classic event this weekend prove that competative pre65 is as popular as ever and certainly the quality of bikes in yorkshire was perhaps the highest i have ever seen. Certainly the older stalwarts are not as numerous as they were 15 years ago but niether are events the home of the over 50's many if not most are in thier 40's and a significant minority even younger. the std of riding has advanced beyond recognition as have the sts of bike building and preparation. trials is a relatively 'good value' motorsport but be under no illusion it is not cheap and pre 65 is certainly not a cheap version it can still though provide a good value ride.

no. three central reasons. 1. although even rideable pre 65 bikes are not cheap and competitive bikes can be very expensive, it is still possible to have a competative ride on a 100% pre 65 bike if you choose your class and bike carefully ( yorks classic vintage two stroke classes in thier pre unit trials for 100% mechanically genuine pre 56 bikes) so a bike for a grand is possible and competitive. 2. genuine twinshock spanish italian japanese bikes are plentiful below your 'grand' self imposed minimum and are backed up by a growing number of niche and mainstream suppliers of reproduction spares to keep genuine trials bikes useable and competitive 3. your bitsa built from chinese fun bike and pre 65 spares bin with japanese front end is laudable but what about billy must win's swm motor in a t45 new built copy of a modified 240 frame with 38mm mazzochis billet yolks alloy tank and tubeless tyres that it will inevitably end up competing against..

my barnetts a 63 and the same age as me.. ask your question on the yorks classic facebook page one of the regular posters only recently sold his c15 and he'd done most stuff to it while he had it..

did the bean counter get it worng or right infact production costs over a shorter period would have been greatkyt reduced and all the stuff was bought and paid for in 2004... so no brainer really if they had the cash to hand.

ilkley run non stop on the grand national

recently 'interviewed' a 16 yr old for an apprentice spot he 'd got more certificates than you'd need to start a bonfire alsorts of stuff in his folder.. asked him to choose which was the claw hammer from between a claw and lump hammer.. took him two attempts to get the right one.. nice lad let down by an education system that rewards everyone with bits of paper and delivers nothing of value to an employer..

as inspiration and a cracking source of knowledge / direction dave at http://www.dcclassicmotorcycles.co.uk/ i ve had a ton of bits and hours of help and advice from him in the past.

your issue here is your attempting to use 40 yr old documentation from an underfunded/ bankrupt business as a datum point to build a bantam hub that you want to increase the offset of to the maximum so that it will fit in a triumph swingarm. you ll find the factory part no.s were often just re used and although the part may have the same function/ description and part no. it may be different in dimension bike building has to have compromises and wheel building one hub suitable for trials and lining it up in another swingarm is always going to involve compromise.. work with what you have if the wheel as you ve built it fits the swing arm and the clearance at the tyre is okay and the sprocket is lined up then you can simply cut the spokes to the most appropriate length.. take em out and lengthen the thread a little if youd like good luck

you ll find that these sort of terms and conditions are par for the course at all similar venues. the seats have by law to meet minimum dimensions for elf and safety.. which sheffield presumably do. you ll find that most venues dont allow pass outs and they certainly wont let you nip out the back for a ciggy, most will physiclaly check your not taking food and drink in and search your baggage as though you were boarding a plane. sadly all a sign of the times and promoters/ operators just covering thier backs..

forks were upside down i think on an 01

i'd very much take a 40 year old parts book with a pinch of salt. if you ve built a wheel up i'd put it in the swing arm and check that the sproket alignmentment is spot on. the only way to do this is with a steel straight edge ( you be amazed how far out doing it by eye can be.. yes we thought we were good and thought it was spot on) the guys at cwc are normally spot on. i normally send them a spoke from each side for reference and the come back 100%.

get on youtube.. one of the car drivers posts in car stuff of every trial .. that way you even get to ride the sections the week before.. usually sidecars ride the same sections as cars as do bikes the only deviations being stop and go's etc check out youtube northern trail and you ll see most are in the woods .. its wet up thier so wrap up warm .. take spare gloves etc in the sidecar.. abrolly might sound daft but waiting at sections to start it can be a real bonus if its pouring down..

when i first got mine i felt the same.. ride it though all those guys 30 years ago were nt wrong

slow down!!! hardly likely that the crank has gone after 2 sections.. there will be a little movement of the piston forwards sideways the lot it will move.. not much but it will.. id put it back togetehr and understand what the noise is rather than take one persons off the cuff remarks as gospel.. ( unless he can feed 5000 with 2 loaves and five fish)

no that ll be the bantam

looks a bit odd especially as the rims already have writing on them and you can still see it..

or a front mudguard brace for a 200??

i think you grossley underestimate the number of under 55's willing and riding big bangers in pre65 equally the number of bikes competing in classic green lane trials is causing them problems with the last two events massively oversubscibrd..

i'd use a micrometer to suss out the sizes if still in situ. as advised above the economy bearings are more than satisfactory. the only difference other than price if you check the spec sheets is how fast they will spin for and as trials bikes rarely reach 15k revs per minute economy will do definatley go for the rubber sealed units.. check out my blog below for online factors ..

i dont know why the pre 65 scottish has chosen the rigids to be very specific over eligibility but it is a positive move. the more clearly defined rules are the less time this discussion will take and the more time will be spent riding old bikes.. as for who will police the rules thats simple, many on here have highlighted isssues with various bikes.. a little honesty box at the start of trials for bikes to be challenged anonomously would soon hi light those 'improper bikes' at yc we have a couple of eagle eyed members who are only to keen to high light such issues directly but politely to riders..

motorcycle trials today is a very competative sport at all levels. pre 65 trials is no different. pre 65 trials originally were started to give an opportunity for riders of older bikes in the very early seventies an accesable mornings sport ( i reference an article by john smith from real classic which catologues the start of pre 65 trials in the rochdale area with the first running of a specific event ' the old timers trial' in july 1971, this was to become the shawforth shake which unfortunately was held for the final time last year) competition breeds innovation and modification, unavailability of genuine products leads to manufacture and development parts which leads to competition and the circle turns. 'loose' regulation lead to easy acess to the sport for all the barn finds and dads old bikes and developed bikes all this took 40 years to get where we are today a very loosley regulated sport for even looser regulated bikes on ever more difficult sections. although many of the original riders no longer participate go no further than the pre 65 scottish to see an event won by a former world championship rider and multi british champion and understand how competative the sport is. not only is the sport loosly regulated but those regulations are rarely if ever policed and i'm afraid to say 'cheating' is rife and accepted as long as no one complains and no one complains because most do.. a clear set of policed rules is long overdue, the pre 65 and other major clubs should lead the way by developing the same rules with a suitable cross over period of say 2 years and then everyone would be riding bikes built to much the same rules. the pre 65 scottish started the ball rolling with its excellent rigid bike ruls it now need to enforce them and extend them and it cant happen soon enough..