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I and my brother walked the 6 miles up to loch eilde cottage for the two subs on wednesday. ( cottage is a bit grand its a semi derelict , mostly derelict building at the far end of the loch probably used by those that dammed the loch in 1916-18) the weather was fine until the first riders arrived. refueling first at the fuel tent manned by two wet desert rats.. At that time the winds were approx. 30mph and the rain was HEAVY. the three observers were huddled in a portable fishing bothy and had two of the easiest sections of the trial to observe. they ran consequteively and were about 40 yards in length total with a rise of 8 -10 feet in total. from my experince these were certainly on a par with bradford and spen valleys beginners sections. most riders rode to the start took very basic advice form the two spectators ( me and brother) up the middle keep right aim for the left ends card ( they were that simple) and cleaned both sections without looking at them at all ( many didnt even dismount at the start) i'd seen dougie ride probably 15 of the hardest sections of the trial before wednesday and he was faultless nay imperial.For dougie to drop 1 on the first and 3 on the third is astonishing in fact unbelievable! his son would have dropped less! i personally didnt see him ride as we started the 2.5 hr walk back to the road! are these results really correct? we were also at the next group of two sections at the kinlocleven end of loch eilde when the decsion was made to abandon the section due to the weather. the section was rideable but the health and safety of the observers was certainly at risk with the rain coming down like bullets and snow falling only a couple of hundred feet higher up the slope and abandoning the section was in the circumstances the correct decision. At the time half the riders were taking fives for the sections with one or two stalwarts making decent attempts for 3's although the observers reporeted that the sections earlier had been 'cleaned' but since then it was like a sluice had been opened and the section was described by a rider as white water rapids with the severe rockery barely visible. my brother and i were well equipped with top quality wather proofs and a piece of equipment scorned by 'pro' hill walkers ie a bloody big brolly.. having been out in what must be the worst weather the trial has had in some years it highleighted another area the oirganisers may have to look further at. ensuring that the equipment the observers have is adequate. on the first of the sections at the 'cottage' the three old hands sat in thier fishermans bothy with rubberised suits and were excellently protected from all the moor could throw at them. the other observers were less well prepared for the weather conditions ( although water proofs and large brollys were evident) Although the decsion to leave the section would and should have been the same the proctection afforded the observers could have been greater and perhaps the club might look at the portable fishermans bothy espectially for those remote sections with little or no cover from trees walls etc is available. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/carp-fishing-shelter...%3A1%7C294%3A50

why not bite the bullet.. a rechrome and piston is about 200 quid job done

thanks for the update Tom! I believe Pauls surname is spelt Heys and if that is the case well done to the lad he certainly came from left field with that ride. his most recent P65 rides and results are below and wouldnt hint at him winning the premier event ( he did last week though trounce the clubmen at a bolton modern trial on his cub) many congratulations. http://www.yorksclassictrials.co.uk/result...tains8-3-09.pdf http://www.redroseclassictrials.org.uk/results.html event on 11th of jan

lucky you got away with it. police are triumphant about crushing bikes in and around rochdale at the moment..

the cheeky devils can be reistant to coming out.. as my old trainer used to tell me .. hit it it's not your friend.. howevr they do like to be warmed up and 5 minutes with a blow torch and the things will fall out no problem. get the best quality you can afford pay about 8 pound a wheel and they will pay you back by lasting that bit longer and being exactly the right size will go in and come out easier..

thanks andy. second days photos online at 5.30pm thank you for making the effort. couple of questions though .. whats that big yellow thing in the sky on a couple of todays pics.. WHO WON...

great effort 3 sections within 24hrs of the trial starting, many thanks, looking at the weather i'd better pack an extra brolly for next week.. http://www.scottishproducttv.com/motor_sports_channel.htm

thanks for your comments, as a trials official myself, i never realised that been a volunteer meant being able to abdicat quality as you were unpaid for a task. even at the p65 getting results is nigh impossible unless your in the know. how hard would it to to post the results on the door of the school on the saturday morning before the first rider starts? as the premier competion for p65 bikes is it acceptable for results not to be avialble officially from any source other than the competitors own results? how difficult would it be for the organisers to say.. hey jim your a silver surfer post the results on this internet stuff on saturday night can you..hey sue your sons at school can he use his laptop to put the results on the tinternet. i come at this from having ridden soley p65 trials for 15 years in possibly the countries best clubs who produce internet results before 5pm on the day of the trial to all entrants and club members and all done by somebody who doesnt even attend the trial!! Granted thier annual trial that attracts 180 riders meant that results were delayed until almost 6pm on the day of the trial.... clearly somebody must know what the results for day 1 were, why is the information not available 24hrs later.. why am i not in kinlochleven... well i by chance 2 years ago stayed on to watch the first day of the ssdt and am hooked so come sunday i'm travelling the 600 odd miles north for a week of trials where i'll know whose dropped what each morning and during the day..where i can afford any of the bikes being ridden and could buy any of them on monday morning at my local dealer if i chose to..

the one area where the p65 reallu falls short as the worlds best trial is communication. frankly its an attitude that is unacceptable in todays world ( see hilarys excellent comments and the debate that that started in support)

use a nice fully synthetic oil for the engine i have an 03 and use 70ml in 5litres of super unleaded, no smoke and no plug fouling, clean the airfilter after every ride, they dont half collect the muck/dust. completely wash and re oil once evry 3 or 4 rides ( not too much oil the bike will run rich) that gearbox oil has gone after about 8hrs ( dont do any more) it takes about 550 ml to do the job i use 10-40 check the plug after every ride. after every ride remove the flywheel cover and wd40 the insides leave off until the next ride. check the water level before every ride it should be just below the level of the bottom of the thread. when riding try not to put your feet down.

http://www.cowmleisure.com/ you can ride as far as you can see. the site is massive and even when busy you 'd find it hard to see someone else..

back cowm at rochdale is only 40 minutes from junction 27 of the m62.

the issue with the bike is that is not competative nor will be without a significant investment of time cash and knowledge ( gaunt elder rides/ rode a much developed bike) as a collectors piece with some relevant history 2k plus might be achievable realistically if you make 2k as is you'll have done well.

if its consumables any local trials dealer if its engine or chassis parts lampkins and they are first class

norms the form man at the mo. winning modern club trials on the thing to. SO expect the hill to be alive with shouts of ''YORKSHIRE'' No doubt regulars will know how shy and retireing us white rose boys can be...

having considered and ridden a fair few 4t before settling on a 2t, i believe the beta 4t is a grest starter even when you lob it pick it up and away you go ( all the bikes i rode though had been modded on the jetting from std. at the end of the day though the 2t won as there are hundreds of other bikes the same out there anyone can fix em. the 4t are losing thier money faster a 2t if 4t were better the demand for tham would keep the price up and every body would be riding them at trials and yet i see only about 5% of bikes are 4t

similar on a beta, the rear silencer can have the stuffing taken out then de carboned but the first 'expansion box' has no way of opening it up so dont light that. the front pipe responds nicely though to a good bar b que

turn the 'idle screw in' to lowere the revs? surely that will raise the throttle and raise the revs?

whip it off, hose it down, apply chain cleaner, wipe clean, let it dry, apply chain cleaner, wipe it clean . clean sprokets/ guides, refit , lubricate.

fascinating inquiry. the solution seems striaghtforwrd and cost effective but in practical terms how long will they last on a trial? as stated the thing is not mot necessary but to determine if a bike is roadworty by a police officer. as said police officer isnt allowed to ride your bike to test the thing

whilst its right to be cautious , if we didnt believe anybody then nothing would happen . so get the cheque make sure its absolutely cleared beyond all claims ( letter from the bank to confirm) and then release bike i have done this a couple of times for bikes with no comeback whatsoever, i've even had calls months later thanking for the bike not everyones a nigerian banking scammer..

when done dont forget to remove the root cause of the carbon in the first place. use a smokeless oil (synthetic) set the carb nice and lean ( not too far) you'll know its right when the plug is nice and dry and clean

i've always had most success soaking the thing in diesel or petrol, then setting the thing alight ( stand back and let it burn ) then give it a good old scrap with a bent coat hanger and the stuff will fall out.

jimmys reply is pretty sound. the downhill engine braking will cause the front suspension to load up and dip. three solutions really, lighten the front end by hanging the weight back ( but if following Bernie shriebers mantra about being 'centerd' this is the wrong thing to do) keep the clutch in so that there is no engine braking or increase the tick over or keep a little revs on via the throttle.

my best advice would be dont try and see every section, sit tight and watch the whole trial through and you'll see two sections a day dont try and 'do' more than 3 as for the p65 much is by the roadside on the south side of the loch all watchable if you fancy stretching your legs get up the mamore road and park in the hotel carpark for a quid or two and walk out to the sections ( about a mile) well worth the hike. for the ssdt , there is a lot of traffic fill the car up as petrol stations are few and far between, plan each day for two or 3 sections ( it can take over an hour walking just to get to some sections from the road side) importantly prepare for all extremmes of weather. when it rains you get wet when its hot the midges bite proper walking boots are essential, take a mat or somat to sit on take a drink take a rucksack take a camera.