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Does Beta generally release factory editions at some consistent amount of time after a new model release, or do they just magically appear at some point?

Emma (and a few others) look like they caught a face full of roost. Good times!

Was just quoted $9500 USD

Neither the wait nor the price tag (although I'm being quoted just under $10k) don't particularly surprise me. It's a niche bike in an already small market, so the fact that they're able to produce it and have remained in business this long is pretty impressive. Whether it's a performance equal to a 300cc factory gas bike doesn't really concern me... I'm never going to ride at a level where the bike is the thing holding me back. But I do have a lot of fun on a 300cc gas bike, which is why I'm generally more concerned with how fun (or not) the EM is. At the end of the day it offers a lot of upsides: no clutch (I work at a keyboard and have all kinds of hand issues, so slipping a clutch all day is a problem for me) 10% of the maintenance of a gas bike... no fuel, no carb, carb cleaning or jetting, no gearbox and fluids, no air filters. I appreciate the simplicity, and I still get to change the fork oil once a season and grease up the linkage over the winter, which now that I'm 40 is enough to satiate my need to spin a wrench every now and then no kickstarting... I can't stand pre-riding a loop for the simple reason that every time I stop it means another kick or two. I'd be happy to never kickstart another bike as long as I live it's quiet(er) than a gas bike, which opens up riding at my house that I otherwise wouldn't do. Plus, although I love the sound of a nice motor, on a trials bike I could really leave the noise... they really aren't terribly nice to listen to my son has an oset, and he wants me to get an electric... he's had enough exhaust in the face On the downside: it's $2k more than a new gas bike there's basically a single manufacturer in this niche of full size trials bikes, which worries me a bit I have no idea what resale value is (and this is probably my biggest concern) I'm not 100% sure I can get through every event in my season on a single charge... there have been a few this year with really long loops (although that said, I'm probably going to end up around mid pack in my group anyway, so if I DNF it's not the end of the world. It's not like I get paid to do this). it would be the one and only electric that I'm aware of in the club I ride with, and I could do without the attention I still haven't seen any video of anyone doing a real zap on one, so I'm wondering if it's not possible. Which would be a bummer, because it's my favorite thing to do.

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How's that compare to other things?

Sounds like Ryan owned one previously and is looking to keep one of the next batch he gets. That's interesting in itself, but I'm a little concerned about various reports that the power is more similar to a 125. I'm way too lazy and bad to ride a 125 at this point in my life.

I think the only thing they could do that would shock either KTM or BMW would be to announce they sold 100,000 bikes, which I wouldn't hold my breath on.

This is my second year riding trials. I put 120 hours in my first year and 90 this year, and I feel like I'm now generally on par with the guys who have been riding trials a lot longer. That said, it really also depends on what your background on a bike is like. I started riding when I was 13, so it wasn't like at 40 I was making up for 39 years of never having ridden something with two wheels and a motor. The quality of the hours you practice makes a big difference too. If you can, find people who are a level better than you to ride with and you'll improve a lot quicker.

One of the reasons I ride trials is that I can't run or bike anymore (knee problems), so it's trials and walking for me (aggravates the knees less). Aside from that I do some light weights at home. The best riding season I ever had was when I was still running regularly, it really makes a huge difference.

The thing I can't stand about my 2015 Sherco is that the front end constantly pushes wide and washes out. Never had this issue with the Beta (on the Beta it was the clutch that drove me bonkers!). For guys who hop proficiently, I'm sure this is a non issue, but I'm wondering if the new frame on the Scorpa alleviates this at all. Sounds like the turning circle is better, so maybe the geometry has changed a bit...

Yeah, I'm hugely tempted, but without a ride first it's a bit of a leap.

Anyone ridden an EM5.7? I'm strongly considering one, but I haven't managed to get a ride yet. If you have would you replace your gas bike with one if they were comparable money? I have no doubt, given its performance in the French trials championships, that the EM5.7 is more than capable for my skill level. But I'm less concerned with that than how fun it is to ride.

Think if I had a GG and wanted to go electric I'd just sell the GG and buy an EM5.7.

Call me crazy but it looks like rust at the base of the cylinder?

After sitting that long anything that has fluid in it should be serviced. Forks, transmission, brake and clutch, pull the carb and soak everything in carb cleaner.

Just think what'll happen when he 'gets used to' the new bike...

So, did anyone buy one? Seems to have turned out that the new Sherco is essentially identical the 2015 Scorpa, so I can't imagine it's in any particular way bad. I had a really brief ride on a 2015 Scorpa Factory edition 300. To say I want it is an understatement, but as I say, it was a brief ride.

I've heard anecdotally that it's a new engine. In trials I take that with a grain of salt since so many of the existing components are shared amongst manufacturers, but there you go.

Yeah, they're just talking about the enduro bikes. I don't think you'll see them put the same system on a trials bike anytime soon.

Yeah, I don't see anything about FI either. In any case, another question: anyone know if the clutch on the 250/300 4t has the same reversible spring retainers that the 300 2t does? If not, how's the lever effort?

The 2016 4t is fuel injected???

I don't think there's anything wrong with Vertigo doing development in the open. But the impression people seemed to have gotten was that when the bike was announced, it would be for sale soon after. The fact that its been so long and you still can't buy one takes a lot of the bloom off the rose.

Huh... well, in that case, I'll definitely check it out.

Can anyone comment on how hard the 300 4t is to start relative to a 300 2t? I ask for a couple reasons: - I have a problem with my right leg from an old injury, and kicking my current Sherco 300 2t all day at a trial is too much - I'm considering going back to a Beta... but whether it'll be a 2t or 4t I'm undecided. I never minded the left side kicker on the 2t, which would alleviate my leg issue, but obviously the 4t has the right side kicker. So if it requires the same effort, it's kind of out of the question.