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Every manufacturer also has another important factor to consider, and it could make their decisions before they even get to testing. Cost. Have you priced the fuel pump, throttle body and computer on a Montesa and compared it to the price of a carburetor? IIRC, it's about $2k on the Montesa. From everything we've seen, the Beta 4t is already going to be very expensive. How much more do you think they could charge for it? And, riddle me this, Batman, if the carburetor is a superior system, why would Honda go to the expense and complication of EFI on the 4RT? I might be alone on this, but I'd take Honda's technical and R&D department when it comes to four-stroke engine technology and development.

Well, you won't see it on US MX and Supercross tracks until you see it in the showroom, per the production-based rules. The motocross race quads from Suzuki and Kawsasaki have EFI, but they also have batteries and plenty of room for the EFI paraphernalia. EFI is also being used in MX bikes in the Japanese national championships, as well as some FIM MX bikes. It's coming, and you're going to see it sooner than I think you think. Except for cost, it's a clearly superior system.

What's the point of adults riding 125s? Why not have two 200 classes? And two 300 classes? And two four-stroke classes? Oh, and a couple of 175 classes? The 125 exists for the Juniors. Let them ride it.

I am endlessly perplexed by people who find it necessary to come onto a forum and complain that everyone there is wasting their time on said forum. Look, if you think the forums are a waste of time, don't read them. Yes, it's that simple. If other people want to read and participate in them, I'm not sure how that effects you in such a way that you feel necessary to complain about their participation. Why don't you go over to the vintage forum and tell the people there to ride new bikes, and that they're wasting precious time riding those dumb old machines that you have no interest in?

Wikipedia to the rescue!

I rode the 2005 models of both on the same day. The review was published Dirt Bike magazine in America. What exactly do you want to know? I seemed to have missed your review I think this might because i live in England and don't subcribe to Dirt Bike Mag. I'd be interested in summary of your results and highlighting the main differences between the bikes. If you have an opponion on which bike is best could you explain in detail why? The reason why i'm asking is because there are no Sherco 320's where i ride and i'm wondering if this is because the bike is not as good as the 4rt, or some other reason? Thanks, Since you've asked, plenty of people with experience with both have chimed in. I don't know that I have a lot more to offer. The first Sherco 320 just didn't seem like a finished bike to me. Starting it was absurd. If you got the process down, you could do it in two solid kicks. If something was amiss, you could kick it until you were ready to open the gas cap and use the bike for a signal fire (a la On Any Sunday). Right there, you have a huge problem. A bike that is difficult to start will fatigue you, both mentally and physically. Powerwise, I just found the 320 to be lumpy. The motor's power deliver felt like a retro four-stroke, rather than something modern. I never felt as confident wicking open the Sherco's carb as I did the Montesa's EFI. Also, the large displacement motor makes the bike feel heavier than it actually is, due to all that rotating mass. The Montesa 4RT is, clearly, a work of modern industrial art. It's obvious that the Montesa was designed from scratch while the Sherco's R&D was done on the cheap. On the downside, the Montesa idles high and has too much power down low, for me. We're talking a 1700 rpm idle and maximum torque at 3500 rpm. That just about guarantees abrupt delivery off idle. Fortunately, it's only a 250, though I would probably prefer a smoother 200. I'm sure the 2005 Sherco 320 is something the factory would rather forget.

I rode the 2005 models of both on the same day. The review was published Dirt Bike magazine in America. What exactly do you want to know?

Hi, I just bought a 2005 Beta 200 Rev-3 (my first Beta since my 1990 Zero). Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for me concerning that bike? Thanks!

To be fair, I think Beta two-strokes always looked more refined than Scorpa two-strokes. How does the Rev-3 4t look compared to the Montesa 4RT?

I think we're talking about two different things, sirhc. For adult me, yes, 125s are not adequate. For the most part, we're larger than the young teenagers, so we need the low end power to pull our additional weight around. But, I ride a 200 (175cc, in reality), and it has plenty of power. I've seen Tommi Ahvala ride a 200 and he said he can do virtually anything on a 200 that he can on a larger bike. For kids, they are better off with less power. I think they're far more likely to crash due to too much power than to inadequate power. In my experience, I can go up bigger stuff on a 200 than on a 280, for the simple reason that I can get more aggressive with the throttle, which allows me to ride more aggressively. I think the smaller displacement engines are good for trials kids, just as they are good for MX kids. I doubt that anyone would argue that 12 year olds should race 450s on a supercross track just so they have enough power for that big triple.

Skid, I know this is a Gas Gas forum, but you're describing a Montesa Cota 315R. It's a 250, but it's perfectly smooth. And, as far as "easy to take care of," nothing is more reliable and less maintenance intensive than a 315R.

You and I have seriously different views of "safe".

You've got a guy who has been the #1 North American every year for the last 15. I'd say he's the man to beat.

I listed both two-wheeled and four-wheeled National classes. No, the lists don't mention Novice. But, we don't mention A, B or C. A class by any other name... And if you think guys on four-wheelers can't ride motorcycles, I suggest you discuss the issue with Barry Hawk, who left GNCC ATV racing after several championships from '93 to '99. He switched to motorcycles, increasing his National Championship count in 2003. Anyway, the point is this: The GNCC and MX series are both hugely popular, and they have plenty of classes, many of them for "C" riders. Is it right for trials, I don't know. But, I can say that it's a successful strategy. http://www.loganact.com/tips/afaik.html

This is totally from memory, and from an American perspective, but... 1984 Fantic 240 1985 Fantic 300 (last twin-shock) 1986-7 Fantic 301 (first single-shock) 1988-9 Fantic 303 1990-1 Fantic 305 1992-3 Fantic 307 1994-6 Fantic K-Roo 1997-end Fantic Section

Here's the list of classes at the ATVA Nationals: Pro & Pro Am (MUST BE 16 YEARS AND OLDER) Class #1 - Pro (450cc max. 4-stroke Production ATV) *Class #2 - Pro Am Production (450cc 4-stroke max. Production ATV) (both motos on Saturday) *Class #3 - Pro Am Unlimited (91cc-Open) (both motos on Sunday) Amateur (MUST BE 16 YEARS AND OLDER) Class #4

To answer this question, it would help for everyone to know what your consider to be the strengths and weaknesses of your previous cameras. Everyone has different priorities in a camera. When I shoot trials, I use a Nikon D200 with a vertical grip holding two batteries, and I carry two lenses with me, along with an SB-800 flash. That works for me, but there are plenty of people who don't want that much equipment.

From: ata-list@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Pete Croft Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:09 AM To: Ata-List@Yahoogroups. Com Subject: [ata-list] Fred Belair I received a call from Martin Yesterday Monday October 2nd, 2006 to announce that his dad Fred Belair had passed away earlier that day, he was 83-yrs old and had been dealing with Parkinson's and a recent infection, he passed away peacefully in his sleep. Martin will advise about the arrangements soon. He also said Fred was not the sort of person who wanted people to mourn him but to celebrate his life, as I said to martin he is problem negotiating right now a bike deal somewhere or at least riding one. Keep him in your thoughts, Cheers * * * From me: In case any of you didn't know, Fred Belair was the father of El Trial de Espana, certainly the most publicized trial in the United States. Certainly, he was a pivotal figure in the development of the sport in the United States, along with being a very nice gentleman.

I hate to make a spelling flame, but if you're going put a word in all caps and repeat it for emphasis, at least take the time to spell it properly. Amateur.

Wow! I had no idea we put on so many Nationals. That's like three a day!

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Ask yourself this: If the engine goes south and you've changed the oil and filter every 15 hours, how much are you going to wish you had decreased the interval to 10 hours? To me, changing fluids is cheap insurance.

Just get 10,000 entrants to pay $1 each.

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What are you squawking about? It was a great trial!!! And, it wasn't in the dry desert. Section 1 was a water section!