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Same with dirt bikes though isn't it? They may let you have a road spin on a KTM, but what's the point in that? Taking a Mont for a ride around town while standing on the pegs would look a little silly I suspect. I'm glad I bought mine on a whim because if I'd have test ridden it for 20 mins I would have hated it. After a few hours though I absolutely loved it and wouldn't want to be without it now as it's such a laugh. Not sure I felt the same about the KTM (great bike though).

Is it just me, or is this the most boring conversation ever?

Good point! NO!

No 4Ride at the NEC! Was the main reason I went. Why Honda showed it in Milan and not here is a bit of a mystery.

4RIDE 3166 primary ratio (57/18) Gear ratios 1st 2385 (31/13) 2A 1,933 (15/29) 3rd 1500 (18/27) 4A 1130 (23/26) 5A 0814 (22/27) Final report 4100 (41/10) Final drive chain # 520 4RT 260 Primary Reduction…3.166 (57/18) Gear Ratios 1… 2.800 (42/15) 2… 2.384 (31/13) 3… 2.000 (30/15) 4… 1.272 (28/22) 5… 0.814 (22/27) Final Reduction…4.100 (41/10) Final Drive…520 roller chain I use my 260 for trails mostly. Unless it's really tight 1st never gets used, 2nd only rarely, mostly use 3rd to pull away from lights as the first two gears see you pulling 10mph, I may be exaggerating a bit but you get the point. 4th is wheelie gear and 5th will probably push 60+ but I don't see the point. So this new bike has a much healthier spread of gears for my use. I still suspect I wouldn't use 1st often though, we'll see. 3rd AND 4th would now be wheelie gear I imagine. If I had a choice I would've made 5th a little longer in the leg for cruising though, although a cog change would probably fix that if required. It all looks perfect to me. Apart from the number plate hanger, the near vertical part, although it looks easily removed from the photo's. Great to have lights now it's gone dark and a brake light too! Personally, I could use an electric start. If anyone knows how to mod this engine to fit one do tell. I really don't care about a little extra weight. It's even got room under the seat for a Lithium battery...so some heated grips would always be welcome too which I reckon will now be possible.

Here you go. Bing translator so may be a bit off! Introduction Montesa in 1991 stopped the production of Evasión, the company has focused its attention exclusively on the production of specific models from Trial: Cota, Cota 314R 311, Cota 315R and Finally, Cota 4RT, a model that has generated a true revolution in the world thanks to a Trial engine completely new and revolutionary in 4T and 4 distribution and supply valves PGM-FI electronic fuel injection. Following the principles of combining advanced technology with extreme respect for the environment, in 2013 Montesa Cota presented 4RT260, a completely renovated model that offered a noticeable improvement in performance while retaining the main features of the Cota 4RT. In addition, Montesa recently presented Cota 300RR competitive, a new model more oriented the racing than Cota 4RT260, but still continues to use 4-stroke technology. For this new season, Montesa 2016 has decided to introduce the new 4RIDE, a model that comes the market to resume the concept introduced by the brand with models 247 and 348 Cota Cota. Certainly, seeing this new 4RIDE, many will recognize some aspects of the model Evasión, which was focused on hiking and Trial that stemmed directly from his 310 Cota Trial version. So, 25 years later, considering the great demand and the changing customer needs, Montesa decided to return to the concept of "adventure" of the Trial, one of the most spectacular off-road disciplines. Development concept Montesa decided to broaden its range of models, and users, with this amazing RIDE, 4 Reinventing a concept oriented offroad pleasure of enjoying the mountain environment with a greater ease and an incredible fun. Up to now, Montesa had three models in its range of high quality, the Cota 4RT 260, Race Replica and Cota 300RR, whose main features are the advanced technology of their 4-stroke engines and the reliability of components. Maintaining the same design philosophy, the Team of Montesa development, in close collaboration with the R&D of Honda Motor Co. Ltd., has worked hard to develop the new 4RIDE, a trial hiking-oriented model that however does not give up to the highest distinctive brand standards. The concept of the new model is already clear in his name, 4RIDE: the number "4" reminds one of the Montesa badges – 4-stroke engine – like play on the pronunciation of the number "Four", very similar to "for", indicating his predisposition to a "Guide". Is a bike with the home, which travel on the road and venture on our favorite trails, even the most rough! There are also "4", meaning "Four", the "objectives" of the new guide 4RIDE: adventure, fun, freedom and versatility. In this context it is also interesting to note the large load capacity of 4RIDE, with a large compartment under the seat, easy to access, where you can arrange numerous objects, such example, a rain jacket or a light jacket, gloves and more. The 4RIDE Development Team worked on the basis of the Cota 4RT260 to get a bike more Adventure-oriented, with extraordinary ease of use and versatility. For this, the engine has a completely redesigned gearbox ratio and longer than trials bike, ensure peak performance and maximum driving comfort even on long journeys. In addition, with the same goal, was revised ergonomics of the bike, with a true saddle at the right height and suspension the increased height, to give a proper trim for road circulation and adapted to off-road vehicle. The power level is such that the 4RIDE you can drive with your license A2, clear objective of Montesa that Thus caters to an audience seeking a motorcycle less radical than a Trial model, in order to venture into the mountains without sacrificing quality and performance components necessary to tackling technical areas and trialistiche. Construction process As for the 260 Montesa Cota 4RT, Cota and Cota Race Replica 300RR, 4RIDE are built in modern Santa Perpetua de Mogoda, Barcelona. The plant incorporates the processes of welding, construction of the petrol tank, and swingarm aluminum frame, ensuring production uniformity for maximizing brand standards. Design and style Following the 4Rt260 and Cota, Cota 300RR red is the predominant color of the new 4RIDE. Is this on the front fender, side panels and on the back of the saddle (combined with black), red hubs and rims stickers. The 4RIDE logo is shown in black and Black logo, Montesa, on both sides of the bike and fork sheaths, in this case with the number "4" in red. This red color is combined with white plastic rear fender, where We find the "M" logo in grey with Montesa "Offroad adventure" that defines clearly this new orientation Montesa. The aluminium fuel tank is not covered by plastic, leaving in the high quality of the material used. The hubs, red, combine with black circles and rays, giving the 4RIDE a more sporty and attractive, thanks to the handlebars, to turn black. Montesa models are well known for high quality finishes and components that maintain their properties intact over the years. We kept these features in new 4RIDE using plastic and stickers of the highest quality and great aesthetic impact. Engine 4RIDE engine maintains the 258, 9cc 4T of Cota 4RT 260 and Race Replica. The novelty trial models is in gear ratio, completely renovated. Given the orientation "adventure" and more of the new model, the change was adapted for this purpose. While in trials bike gear ratio is very short to address obstacles with a response immediate opening of gas, on the five-speed 4RIDE have a longer relationship. with that new, longer ranged, the pilot can always find the proper speed to address both longer transfers is more technical areas such as trails and cross-country biking trails, particularly ". Also the 4RIDE adopts a discharge of greater volume, larger and longer than that of Cota 4rt, to give a smoother response and less aggressive at the opening of the gas relative to a trials bike, What to give comfort and drivability. For this purpose a pedal is also used in the starting to make starting easier. The remarkable performance of 4RIDE are also due to the adoption of the same fuel pump of Cota 260 and Race Replica, which provides a greater flow of fuel. This element, combined with the new ECU mapping, involves a more substantial power curve especially at low and medium schemes, the most widely used on this model. Another important aspect is the engine brake reduction that was achieved by inserting a decompression system in carter and meticulous work on electronics. Through this system, When you close the throttle, engine braking is minimized by giving the rider the feeling of riding a bike more Lightweight and easy to control. Chassis The new 4RIDE is equipped with a lightweight frame and a lightweight, aluminum swingarm synonymous with great performance and reliability. The two components have a glossy finish, a treatment that allows you to see the beauty of the lines and the perfection of each weld that proves once again the high level of quality of this model. Without doubt, one of the most important features of the new 4RIDE is ergonomics (the saddle is 880 mm height), resulting in greater comfort and ease of driving as its orientation "adventure". In particular, the compact size of the bike and the engine, along with its slim silhouette, contribute to the ability to touch the ground with both feet, giving a sense of added security riders of any stature. Another aspect of ergonomics relates to model the ends of the handlebar, high and open, to ensure greater driving comfort and maximum maneuverability. In this sense must be also highlighted the increased width footrest. Under the seat, easily removable by hand without the need for tools, are an important area of load where you can enter, for example, a light jacket, gloves and any other object that may be useful during an excursion. It should be noted, especially considering the orientation 4RIDE, hiking is the tank fuel capacity increased from 1.9 litres trial model to 4.4 litres of this model, which represents a range of about 120 km. As for the tyres, 4RIDE mounts the new Dunlop D803GP, capable of an incredible traction. These new features make the motorcycle tires even more responsive and make the front end very agile. 4RIDE weight in running order is only 85 kg, a lightness that ensures maximum ease-of-use, extreme manoeuvrability and agility in all circumstances. Suspensions 4RIDE suspensions have been deeply revisited in order to provide the best performance for the Hiking trials. So, the TECH is now adjustable fork 38 mm longer and has more than 24 mm excursion. R16V rear suspension, also award-adjustable, is now higher than 12 mm. As a result, the 4RIDE presents a highly effective suspension group offering an excellent compromise between lightness, comfort, handiness and ease of driving. With these new suspensions, the 4RIDE is able to easily absorb the irregularities of the ground and stands for its easy adjustment in more technical areas or trialistiche or, on the contrary, in the search for a greater damping for a more comfortable ride. As for a trials bike fork leg houses the hydraulic braking, while the other part elastic. All this translates into an exceptional lightness. The most progressive fork spring gives great sensitivity and comfort without losing the wonderful sensation of lightness. As far as about the rear suspension is manually adjustable in rebound and compression without need for tools. Brakes The brakes are of the Beaktec. Both discs, front and rear, are kind of Wave, an aspect that helps heat dissipation and cleaning pads, and avoid overheating by improving braking performance. The front end is equipped with a 4-piston monoblock caliper. The gripper, besides being sturdy and precise, making it efficient and powerful braking. To achieve the same goal, the rear brake is disk been increased from 150 to 180 mm, in view of the fact that the 4RIDE can be used for long transfers and where terrain requires more brake power. High quality equipment The 4RIDE maintains the characteristics of high quality components, such as the advanced electric system without battery that powers, among others, the injection system and the ignition coil. It should also be noted the use of a tilt sensor which switches off the engine when the motorcycle is tilted over 65 degrees for more than 7 seconds. With this device significantly reduces exposure to risk pilot of accidents while the engine is protected so that it can remain. The rear wheel maintains its usual configuration with 32 spokes with Central adjustment enables a significant reduction in weight, easy maintenance and Assembly of tubeless tire, all for the benefit of the reduction of the masses. Montesa 4RIDE-technical features ENGINE Type 4-stroke, single-cylinder, SOHC 4valve, liquid-cooled 258.9 cc displacement Bore x stroke 78 × 54.2 mm Compression ratio 10.5:1 Idle 1800 rpm giri/min Engine oil capacity 0.6 litres; Transmission: 0.57 litres POWER SUPPLY Carburetion PGM-FI electronic fuel injection 28 mm throttle body Sponge air filter 4.4 litre fuel tank capacity ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Digital transistorized electronic ignition Advance 27° BTDC (idle) ~ 45° BTDC (10.000 min-1) Candle type CR6EH-9 (NGK) Kick starter Alternator power 160 W TRANSMISSION Multi-plate clutch in oil bath with coil springs Hydraulic clutch operation 5 Exchange reports 3166 primary ratio (57/18) Gear ratios 1st 2385 (31/13) 2A 1,933 (15/29) 3rd 1500 (18/27) 4A 1130 (23/26) 5A 0814 (22/27) Final report 4100 (41/10) Final drive chain # 520 FRAME Aluminium double beam type. Dimensions (L × w × h) 2,034 × 832 × 1160 mm 1333 mm wheelbase Caster angle 23° 885 mm seat height Footrest height 390 mm Height 330 mm Dry weight 81 kg SUSPENSIONS TECH Telescopic fork front 39 mm cartridge, adjustable preload and rebound. 199 mm stroke Rear pro-link with preload adjustable R16V damper and rebound. 170 mm travel WHEELS Spoked aluminum type Front wheels size 21 × 1.60 18 rear × 2.15 Front tire 80/100-21 (Dunlop) Rear 120/100 R18 (Dunlop) 75 Front tire pressure – 100kPa 50 back – 80kPa BRAKES Front disc brake with 4-piston monoblock caliper and pads sintered metal. Disk from 185 × 3.5 mm. Rear disc brake with 2-piston caliper and metal pads sintered. Disk from 180 × 3.5 mm. All the features are tentative and may be changed without prior notice.

http://www.infotrial.it/montesa-4-ride.html Same site as above but with some pretty good photo's of the bike. Not sure about that heat shield but I expect this'll suit me. Is 'this'll' a word? :-)

I had a KTM exc-f 350. What was I thinking! The 4RT and HM combo is brilliant for trails and off the trails. If you've got nothing but fast lanes the any KTM will be more comfortable, but if you have a mix of technical bits the only option is the Honda, for me at least. I say "wouldn't have done that on the 350" a LOT!

What mean you? Not heard anything about availability yet. Or price.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reflect-A-Gold-Exhaust-Manifold-Heat-Wrap-Reflective-Sheet-12x24-DEI-Performance-/301750372936?hash=item4641b94a48 Just bought some of this. It can't hurt can it. Let you know how it goes.

First I've heard of not using premium fuel! Always use the good stuff on bikes. What's the issue? (2015 260) My bike has always been a pain (IMO) to start. Needs a good kick. If I turn off the motor and re-start within 30 seconds it fires easily. If I stop for a chat for 2 minutes or more it's a female dog to start again - needs a really good kick. I'm pretty sure this is because of the heat building up some place. Interesting about potential fuel pump issues if you run the tank dry. It happens all the time to me as I use mine for lanes mostly. I'll adjust my thinking on this now so thanks for the advice. Maybe this will help? Linky: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reflect-A-Gold-Exhaust-Manifold-Heat-Wrap-Reflective-Sheet-12x24-DEI-Performance-/301750372936?hash=item4641b94a48

Is this the Lake District? Wales? Croydon? :-)

Hi Some good ideas. Problem I have is heat. There are a few helmets similar to suggested ones, but the venting is poor or non existent. Like a lot of riders I get really hot when riding. Have an Airoh trials helmet and an Airoh MX helmet from 350 days. Both have brilliant air vents. When I compare the two though the vis from the trials helmet is night and day better than the MX one. Great photo of the yellow man! Where is that? Looks stunning.

Hi I think there's a gap in the market for guys like me. I use my Motesa for trail riding. I've got the fuel tank seat. It's just brilliant, so good at laning in fact, I sold the Exc-f 350 I had because it wasn't getting used. Nothing wrong with the 350 of course, it's just there's 300% more fun to be had on the Mont. I love the protection from my MX helmet, but I wouldn't ride the Mont with it now I have a trials helmet. Issue is that now I use a trials helmet I'm kind of waiting for the 'big one' that rearranges my face! Speeds obviously higher than trials (Mont will happily push 50+mph ). Going back to the MX helmet just reminds me of how restrictive it is re visibility. So...the gap in the market is for a helmet that's as open as possible (like a trials helmet), but incorporating some chin (hence face) protection. Have any of you guys and gals come across such an animal? Would be very interested to know.

I have to laugh when I read threads like this. You stick to your guns chap. Why people see the need to insult others for expressing a few views on possible progress is beyond me. Just ignore the knuckle draggers (is that an insult?) who think themselves so elevated in life's gene-pool...you can only hope they'll realise one day that they're just like the rest of us. I suspect not though

Also Funny! You couldn't copy them if you wanted too :-) Not sure the gearbox will make you a god!

Funny! That's just what I was thinking! Haha!

I've just had to send back my 8 week old Gaerne Gortex boots back as one is leaking. I'm a little annoyed that the supplier wants to 'see' them before sending out replacement boots. In my world that means they have an issue with this and are trying to look for excuses not to provide replacements. Will be two weeks at this rate without boots. I also have to say that in my humble opinion these boots need a gear selector pad on them. The leather is very soft and looks terrible after only eight weeks, cracked, scratched. Apart from that and the leak they would otherwise be 10/10.

Hi. Yes, the tea strainer may well do. The wire mesh absolutely won't. We use this stuff at work for filters and it's incredibly free flowing. I used some in my KTM a while back and when I stripped the exhaust to repack it, which it didn't need, the mesh was completely clear, if discoloured. Pictures below showing the finished job as the image above makes the end cap look huge and in reality it looks fine.

So... I've been a bit concerned about the RT (2015) noise factor. It gets louder the longer you ride. So, after reading a post on here about an end cap you can fit to the outlet that seems to work a bit I decided to have a think. I stripped the exhaust. The packing inside is very glass fibery. I removed it and put in the bin. The exhaust seems to have two sections or zones, three if you include the end cap. Right at the bottom 'around the bend' there was very little if any packing. I'm unsure if that section is perforated...but regardless I bought some packing fibres, not the cloth - I used this on my KTM to good effect as you can pack the stuff into any shape unlike the cloth variety - and using a pokey thing got plenty of packing in there. Then I fitted 5mm or so (once around) of exhaust mesh along the length of perforated tube and fixed in place with wire. The mesh is stainless steel and very loose knit, the idea being to create an expansion area internally to receive some of the 'pop' as the gases go through the silencer. Replaced the tube of the exhaust and packed it. So, just the end cap left. The inner plate of the end cap comes apart in much the same way as the KTM. I removed this. Over the final outlet (inside the end cap), which is kind of oval shaped, I put a tea strainer domed in the direction of flow and held it in place with more mesh. I hoped the mesh would also take out some of the noise by resonating. Tea strainer mesh was all I could find on the day but will probably change this for a different mesh with larger holes at some point. Assembled and riveted the end cap on. Fitted to bike. Warmed up the bike. From the start it was obvious that this had made a very noticeable difference, so to confirm that it hadn't lost power I went for a road test. Maybe the tiniest amount but the bike goes very nicely and popped the front just as easily as before. Back at the garage I prepared phase two! A 28mm X 22mm end feed reducer. The 22mm socket end was carefully ground down to create an interference fit (i.e it needed a mallet to 'tap' it in. I inserted another rolled piece of knitted exhaust SS mesh. See pic. Then drilled down through the mesh and out the other side of the fitting into which a long self tapping screw was inserted, ground off the excess. Started the bike and offered it on/off the end of exhaust outlet, revved it up to see if any difference. A VERY noticeable difference, especially to the 'after burble' when you close the throttle. Great. Tapped it into exhaust. (Note: the last picture below doesn't show the fitting tapped in all the way. It obviously goes in as far as the taper of the fitting). Went out for an hours ride this evening - it's a brilliant mod. The sound is now nice and smooth. The weird thing is I expected the power to be killed quite a bit, but it's absolutely fine. I would say you have to crack the throttle a little more than before to loft the front but I mean a little. Time will tell if this lasts. The packing will last of course. My only point of concern is the tea strainer which may or may not carbon up. We'll see. But really happy. For £15 I've got a properly packed exhaust and I estimate 50% quieter. Patent pending. Patent pending. :-)

Hi Why would you put a 9T on....1st on my bike goes nowhere.?? Has anyone fitted a taller handlebar? I'm 5'9" and wonder whether a taller bar may benefit. Do any of you cut width off your bars as discussed in owners manual?

Hi A couple of questions. 1. What oils are you using for the 4t engine and gearbox? 2. Getting a bit of RSI in middle knuckle area throttle hand. Was with a mate on KTM last Wednesday and no problem, but swapped onto the Montesa for 10 mins and immediately started to feel the strain again. Levers all set up for me. I'm finding that the bars are obviously much lower than the KTM's and wondering if buying some higher bars may help...anyone done this? I love the Pillow grips on the KTM and their diameter is quite a bit bigger so I'm also wondering if the narrower grips could be causing the strain?? It's annoying for sure. Chris.

Hi Should have delivery of four of the spacers next week. They aren't expensive so I'm guessing a few may like one. 15 each I think, TBC. First three of you (UK) to ping me that you would like one of the extra ones can have them for cost. I figured a few may do and I can easily get more via the Austrian connection if needed. The consensus of two seems to be that you can lower the idle RPM with this mod. Hopefully in my case the bike will start better too. Regards Chris.

Hi, Yes, the dealer told me to kick the bike 3 times on full throttle to reset the ECU. Will one kick do it? Regards Chris

Hi Bernhard This is great info, thanks. I have a sales guy in Austria so i'll get him to speak with him! I can say 'yes', 'no' and 'car factory' (don't ask!) in German and that's about it :-) I'll get a price for more just in case others are interested too. Assume this will fit the 2015? I'll ask him. Is yours a 2014/15? Many thanks Chris