Could someone please give me an explanation on 'what marks the competitor would loose' in the following situation:
The trial was being run under TSR22a method of marking rules.
A competitor entered the section and halfway through slipped into a deep rut with his front wheel. He landed with the majority of his right leg on the ground. His legs were still astride the machine. The handlebar touched the ground. He was able to push himself up without taking his hands of the handlebars and continued to ride the section to the end cards.
As an observer what mark would you have given him and give an explanation why/how you came to the decision.
It's a 3 from me (reluctantly). Handlebar for a one, and if his whole leg's been on the ground, there's no chance he's got back to vertical without at least two more points of contact, similar to dragging a foot along the floor.
I've talked about it before and I think it's a big hole in the rules. In effect, a bloke could fall off just inside the starts cards, lying on his side, shimmy his way along the whole section and through the ends cards, like a snake on his side (with his hands on the bars) for a three. Find me a rule that says otherwise.
According to the existing rules it also seems impossible to have a 5 for coming off the bike if you hop along side the bike. To be considered a failureyou have to have "BOTH FEET ON THE GROUND". Keep either foot off the ground and it's not a 5 according to the rule book!
I think it's one bit of the rule book that needs better defining.
you wouldn't even need the engine running. Just foot through with both hands on the handlebars whilst your feet are on the ground. TSR22b every time for me, though as per the comments on the Classic Experts video this isn't without some 'interpretation', though a lot less complicated.
Bike stalls with anything except the tyres for support and it's a big fat 5. No doubt about it. Not been different for a good few years.
You would be able to push the bike in neutral with the engine running, but that engine stops and its a 5. No doubt! TSR22A c
Welsh Experts trial entry form below, a one route event aimed at good clubman level with the odd section to take some marks off the experts (I'm reliably informed).
Eligibility for Welsh Experts is points scored in a Welsh Championship trial, but entry is open to all comers.
This year hosted by Llanfyllin & DMCC at Green Hall Farm near Trefonen - 6th Dec 10am start.
Any questions, get back to me, I might not know but I'll find out, or call secretary on 01691 828330
"He he - not a bad idea, make it 120Kg and I'll be right back up there"
Gaz - maybe we could do like F1 -combined minimum weight of bike and rider. You could stick with the Sherco but Bou would have to ride a road bike with full panniers. Sounds fair to me
Not a bad idea but I still think he'd have the upper hand
Simple formula -more metal = more strength = more reliability (unless the designer is a wally)
Suggest we have a minimum weight for trials bikes set at 85KG. This would make bikes more reliable for Joe public and maybe make the sections less exrteme for the top boys as an extra 20kg is harder to throw around
He he - not a bad idea, make it 120Kg and I'll be right back up there
Yep, worst case, if he was 12 this year, he's got to wait a couple of months until he can compete on it. Certainly not worth buying a smaller bike with just 2 months to wait.
Maybe buy it and take him out practicing for a bit, then he's all ready to go in January.
I know I'm gonna seem obsessed Bikespace, but is it Roger Pinder to right/front of Dave Pye (he definitely had that hairstyle at the time (even after practising)), and also in middle of bottom pic?
He he - I think you might be right in the top pic, but I reckon the one in the middle of the bottom pic is a Wallin?
Gary Ianson next to Stuart Tate on the bottom one.
Darren Pine with the BIG HAIR to the left of Richard Brown.
I was trying to decide if that was me or Nick Coleby next to Craig Hardacre, but I think this was the night I was waiting for my old man to come home from work and he planted our old Renault in to a wall in Yarm, so we never went
Yep - my vote is Beta Rev 50. Great little bike. We had one for nearly 3 years, and lost about 150 quid per year on it. Never thought I'd go against the TY80, but these days I think only any good for early D class.
The 05 Gasser 300 is probably one of my favourites. You'll have more power for starters.
I'm a Sherco man, but ridden quite a few Gassers and done the odd Novogar on an 05 300. For the same money as long as the Gasser is sound I'd snap it up.
From 06 they got a bit too light at the front end for me.
A lot of people who go and watch the road racing are doing it because that's their weekend out. If the British Superbikes wasn't on, they wouldn't be racing in an event nearer to home, they'd be shopping with their better half, or maybe at best going for a bike ride somewhere. They can take the wife/girlfriend along and she probably won't be bored stupid, she'll be able to get lunch, a drink, and probably sit in one place for most iof the day without getting too bored.
With trials, I know the feeling, I'm not that sure I want to give up my Sunday ride just to go and watch somebody else do it. I wanna be on that bike!
I'll forego my Sunday ride to watch the world championships when it comes to Britain. Hawkestone was a great weekend, three years on the bounce (even though I was stuck on one section observing), but I've got to be honest, the only British or European round I've been to was because I was minding. It holds no great interest for me otherwise.
Having said that, I may well turn up on a day that I don't have a trial to ride. The organisers have to take their pick I think.
There's been loads of discussions about numbers of riders over the past few years, and quite a few comments about the majority of riders being middle aged or more. Not sure whether that's true across the country but seems to be a common theme.
It struck me the other day that 25 years ago when I hit the fatal distractions of beer and the fairer sex, I could chuck my Fantic/Yamaha away in the garage until I felt like dragging it out again, not lose a massive amount of money on it, and not find out that my bike was prehistoric when it came out 10 months later.
These days it doesn't seem like the bikes have really changed that much technically over the past 5 or 6 years, but the manufacturers have managed to make a 2004 model look very old compared to the recent model. I wouldn't ride much better (if at all) on a 2009 model compared to a 2004.
I know the manufacturers have to try to make people buy new bikes every year (or every 6 months if they had the chance) but I'm sure this is contributing to teenage/twenties riders feeling that they just can't keep up with the game now that dad's not footing the bill.
The older bikes look dated not particularly because the newer ones have a great new modern design, but because psychologically you've seen 4 or 5 new (different) designs since that heap sat in your garage was current. It's too old to ride, I'm packing in
Look at the TY175/TY80. I can't even remember when they came out, probably just after the war but nobody really knew whether your bike was 1 year old or 6 years old if you kept it tidy, the dealer generally had to hold one or maybe two versions of a piece of stock, because the 1976 plastics were the same as the 1979 etc. You can still buy parts for a TY175 and be fairly sure it'll fit your year (yeah there were a few versions of tank stickers, but not many over the years.
I'm not being nostalgic, just noting that we tend to lose riders at 16/17/18 because it's too expensive to keep up these days, especially as a sport which you can throw in the garage and pick it up again a month or two later.
The Scorpa seems to have stayed reasonably the same over the years, the problem for me (excuse me Scorpa owners - I'm a well known Scorpa hater) is that it wasn't that good when it was brand new.
I'm not that sure that a "no-bull****" bike that would stay the same for a few years would really drag the people in, but I do think the throw away bike culture has damaged things. Not sure whether it's really the problem, or a contributing factor, and I'm definitely not sure if there's an answer to it? Can the bike manufacturers survive if they don't persuade the fashion victims to buy a new bike every year?
just a bit of learning, what is pinking? also i use standard 95 petrol and i noticed you mentioned using 98, does it make much difference?
I will NEVER put low octane fuel in mine. Absolutely definitely makes a difference. I've done it in the past when I've had to, filling up in the sticks and no super unleaded, then forgotten all about it, and been reminded when the bike starts pinking.
It's maybe 40 or 50 pence difference a week - same with plugs -
Cheshire Youth (don't let the name put you off, I'm 40), Denbigh and Mold, Llangollen, Wrexham And if you fancy travelling a little further South to us on the Welsh border, Llanfyllin. You should have a good day at all of those.
Results now available below and from the Llanfyllin website - not trying to steal traffic Andy, I don't particularly want it
Top 5:
John Crinson
Sam Haslam (not eligible)
Gary Jenkins
Chris Pearson
Miles Jones
Time was a little tighter this year than most. Same time limit as for the past 4 years of 6 hours, but I think a few more delays along the way, a couple of double subs not helping things. Most of the time penalties were amongst the clubmen, but it was clear that one or two of the top riders were rushing a little for the second half of the trial, although the top three of Crinson, Haslam and Jenkins were back fairly well on time.
I thought as riders reached me at section 27 that maybe things had been a bit tough, but looking at the marks lost, for the top boys we'd maybe have aimed for a few more ideally. For the rest of the entry the marks are probably about where we were aiming.
Richard Allen, Mick Boam and Mike James at the top of the over 40 class, and Pete Ruscoe, Tim Morris, Brian Welch on the clubman route.
Rumour has it that Mike James stopped at the pub as he dropped off the hill, which would explain the three 5's on section 17,18 and 19 that dropped him back a bit. What happened Mike?
John Crinson was one down at the punch card change, but then cleaned every section on the second card. Some of those sections are damned nasty, especially 23, the waterfall in the corner. That's a storming ride to clean the second half of the trial.
Thanks to everyone who helped. I won't name all the names for fear of missing just one poor bugger off it, just THANKS EVERYONE.
Feel free to throw your comments/suggestions/abuse this way. May be non-stop next year, but it's good to hear how many think it's too hard compared with how many think it needs toughening up. I don't take offence as long as you don't mention bald, fat or ugly ;-) and even then I'm pretty feckin used to it.
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I'm led to believe that eating a cow is one of the most surefire ways to stop it farting. I aint a farmer or a vet but the theory seems to hold water.
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