paioli

a flying willie truly a horrendous sight and i missed it damm! still i bet he enjoyed the trial more on the matchless than the modified arial he's ridden in the past kinda puts him on a leavel playing field with the rest of the pre unit class good on him ! going back to the oridginal thred introducing all these new classes whose going to police machine eligibility, surly the clubs have enough work to do as you cannot rely on the riders as all there going say is , well me uncle burt used them in 64 so they must be pre65 or some other old chesnut! maybe the ACU could produce a machine eligibility handbook ie pictures of what the bikes looked like when they left the factory ,what dates they were manufactured up to ,even what weight they were, that should sort out the light weight trick bits in the pre65 events, and ensure the specials are in the special class! you only have to look at the pre65 seen to realize what problems lie ahead ie using post pre65 parts, the same is happening in twinshock ie now using mono components, maybe a case for another ACU machine eligibility handbook ! lots of work for someone,any volunteers for this thankless task i won't hold me breath, we as riders have only ourselves to blame!!! in other words we as riders, always want to make our bikes look better,handle better and go better so why should we stop something thats been going on form year dot, maybe a case for the classic rounds to use unmodified bikes who knows, but if we as riders want it, its up to us to find a workable solution both for the clubs and acu to work from! if you want a pre85 class BEST OF LUCK!!!

tooooo !! many rules, keep it simple, seems to me the problems are good riders on very heavly modifyed bikes making sections ride a lot easyer than there intended to and making the trial look easy,whereas the majority of the entry struggle,and maybe next year the trial gets harder loose's entries and the orginisers have second thoughts about running it in the future. this years classic rounds have been just about right my only criticism being no rounds in wales and the midlands! the sammy rounds have been good when they have been on the road,with one trial spoilt by having the modern sidecar championship. next year hopefully they will seperate the specials from the twin shocks and get the non standard british bikes back into the special class before to many riders go elsewere . aircooled mono,o40,o50 riding the novagar rounds on a easyer route,could be worth a try but if the organizing clubs get the sections wrong in the first few rounds or send these new classes out as section scrubbers for the main class i think it will fail ! at the moment we are all pretty much catered for if you make to many rules you could end up making your own bike ineligible for the events you want to ride in, scottish pre65 for example ! woody please define cheat bike! or was that just a bad choice of words!

out cotswolds , rtx and twin shocks fitted with mono parts may be !!! just to keep it pre82 you understand can i have your forks woody !

someone who buys there own bike and bits gets to and from the event and pays there own entry fees in other words someone who has to go to work monday morning to pay for there weekends sport and does not want to hurt themselves on the hard route.

air valves there to let excess air out as they often tend to blow themselves up try fully extending the forks and pressing the valves befor every trial !

another thing worth doing take the flywheel off and check the timing marks on the stator plate and engine case line up!

r2 get that old beta on the road and ride some acu classic rounds before you knacker it out on them welsh rocks ! cheltenham up north ! cheeky sod !!!

charlie for prime minister, even if it means taking a pay cut !

brilliant bit of work charlie, lets see how the anti bsa oil in the frame lot get out of this one, i for one always though they talked b*****ks

he's putty in our hands

best we get this otter selling sammy geezer to ride one in the pre65 scottish,should help the cause will now put up umbrella and wait !

if you don't get the novagar go for a classic round and give wrighty a free ride that should do the trick!

oh you are naughty

surely not the same sammy miller that SELLS the same said frames down south, to be sure

would it not be possible to send out only the relevant parts of the acu handbook to the riders competing in there relevant disciplines, eg trials section to trials licence applicants and so on, i must only read about 10% of the handbook meaning nearly 90% will never get read, still the same number of books going out but well over 75% less raw materials used and maybe even a saving on the new postage charges!

ACU TRIALS FORUM DEBATE me thinks !

simple solution introduce a specials class only one award and any doubt or finger pointing that machine goes into the special class and only compete for that award and the rider who has a genuine pre65 gets to compete with other genuine pre65 bikes, something i think worth looking at next year still keeping original rules but trusting the riders to enter the proper class and not run the risk of the finger pointing issue, and being sent home through ineligibility, or excluded from the results. or something used in the past a 10 mark penalty for any non factory or heavily moded main component eg forks frame hubs and barrels, then that gives riders with genuine bikes HOPE !

having rode the trial in the past and knowing all the hard work andy and co put into the event, it was not until the anti BSA wingers ,started getting these rules put into the event that it became a waste of time sending in a entry, eg no oil in frame, no four stud forks, no square barrels not pre65 i know, but neither are these new cubs james or ariels with there new frames, forks and barrels that are allowed in and are alot more compeditive than any old swan neck steel forked round barrel bsa, it seems to me you can trick up anything as long as its not a bsa, all that i am asking for is a level playing field and i have nothing but respect for the engineering and time people put into these very special bikes . have not rode in years slapshot and as long as these rules stand not bothed if i don't ride again, i just hope the orginers don't adopt your sod you! attitude !

leave frount end in bike complete,drain oil from forks, compress frount end and hold with bike tie down, now try to ease bolt out , try 280cc oil to start with.

lets hope you stick by your rules or you have only yourselves to blame,with such a big event your slowly becoming a victim of your own success.

tom best bit of kit to get first is the owners service manual tells you how to do everything other than standard i use a 38 pilot ,150 main and set my float height to 25mm the nut on the main jet !!! what sort of carb is it ,tk or mikuni !

lets face it guys the trial is for invited riders only,and a blind eye is turned to what ever they ride because as long as they are over subscribed they can have whoever they want, just wait for the photos of next years event in tmx and you can spot whos bike is event legal or not, i agree with pitley, TOTAL FARCE.

waste of time taking any sort of BSA if they stick by there own rules !

just read scottish regs, looks like loads of NORTON ROADHOLDER FORKS going to be left at home due to the pre65 original factory fitment to that machine bit in the regs, can't wait to see how you get round that one!

i don't see why you can't run the twin shocks alongside the pre65's , the sections last sunday would have been just right for twin shocks, as most of the so called pre65's are just as good and some better than most of the twin shocks out there. i'me sure most centers could get 3 riders for a twin shock team and if it took off you could even have more riders per team or even a seperate event, it just needs someone/club to start the ball rolling. did think the easy route was way to hard in places, after all it is the best team at the end of the day not the best rider that the trial needs to be marked out for. as for woody's bike drinking more oil than i can drink cider NO Fu****G WAY BROTHER!!!!!