frontroomautos

If people skip to the end of your post like i did, this creates some interesting images in your head! Boggling! lol Im sure he was refering to riding (i hope ) lol.

Thanks i am seriously considering the 4RT as the build quality is the best out of choice so it seems, I dont mind adjusting valves and changing oil & filters/air filter cleaning etc... but i dont want to know a 4 T if they are known to need rebuilds etc... i would rather stick to the 2T in that respect but it does appear that overall build quality is excelent as i would expect especially from Honda and therefore it might well be the way to go. I understand the engine is derived from the CRF motocross/enduro engine-when these first came out i read that they ate valves but i understand that its been corrected now. My road bike is a BMW R1150 GS adventure and most my off road bikes have all been XR600's/650 so you can see how i favour durability. Having said that i know that when it comes to pushing the boundaries of competition i do realise that what you gain in lightness and winning potential is mostly harder to match with durability. While i have enjoyed competition in other bike sports at certain times i also like to ride and enjoy for my own purposes so i can understand why some might say that if you are looking for bullet proof bikes the chances are that you wont be competetive against say a relatively high maintainance much more powerful & lighter bike but its all relative and i just want to enjoy outdoor trials at my leve, i have no illussions of being the next DL (its a bit late now anyway ho ho ho). Anyway quality was the question and i think i am reaching my conclusion, thanks for sharing the thoughts .

Thanks, it doesnt surprise me i guess ive heard people say that the gasgas build quality is bad. They should sort it out really , i have the mont in the forfront of my mind and the gasser in the back. As you say build quality from what ive heard allot of people steer away from buying them for this reason and opt for beta but i must say that the monts build quality is nice its a lovely bike to own i would of thought.

Hello all, i am about to buy a new trials bike, i have been getting interested in trials over the last couple of years, i am not new to riding off road bikes but i am to trials. Anyway i dont want to part with my hard earned if the quality of build is not of a high standard so at this stage reliability and quality are the top of my list. I dont mind doing the usual top end rebuilds on the 2T, thats just expected maintainance, but i dont want to buy anything that lets me down in areas of the engine that i dont expect to fix and that goes beyond reasonable cost. Basically i dont like the throwaway product theory i would rather pay more for satisfying & enjoyable ownership and build quality. Are trials bikes usually seen as here today but last weeks news tomorrow so to speak or is it possible to own something longer term. Anyway the bikes i like are the Gas Gas 300 pro & Montesa 4RT. I am aware of the character of the two bikes as i have ridden both and like both but i suppose what i am trying to say is this... Am i in for big service bills too often with the 4T or are they built better than that and with the Gas Gas, well lets just say ive heard good and bad about their build quality. I know there is Scorpa (although i have not ridden one) who use the great Yamaha engine and i might opt for this if the feedback isnt good on the Gasser but at this stage i just cant decide. So forget my riding ability in relation to this question its feedback on quality that i would be grateful for, on the other hand if they are all costly to maintain i will have to sell of my other bikes and concentrate solely on trials cheers all...

Well thanks for all your replies, they have been helpful hearing the opinion of other people. I imagine i will end up with the Citroen Dispatch van as it has 3 seats and theres only me the better half and a little one. I seldom have more than 3 people in my car ever so if i bought a nice car it would be only used as a workhorse to get changed in, cart my bike even if it is only once a week but it also has other benefits, i mostly only do 30 mile round trip to work so comfort is not priority and me and other than that its local trips or the odd camping holiday with the missus. I like the benefits the van offers as they have been spelled out to me although i knew what they were it helps to hear it from others who have used one. As for cost well i suppose its only the difference between a tow bar being fitted and the cost of a decent trailer and the deisel van is pretty good on miles per gallon (especially in something modest size like the dispatch). So if theres any extra to pay in costs it cant be loads and whatever that is it must be nice to have the comforts and peace of mind of a van with the stuff in the back. Lastley a van with a few marks or dents to the pannels is not what i want but it would wear them better than a car (especially a nice car) So i think i have got there in the end, perhaps the van is the best option for me, but thanks all for your help.

Can anyone tell me how they find trailers as oppossed to using vans or racks to cart around a trials bike. I was looking at a van but am now wondering if a trailer would be a cheaper option though i would like to know how secure they are and how easy they are to tie down. Also i dont like the look of my new trials bike all exposed to the eliments and possible catastrophies of other drivers hitting it but perhaps i am being a bit fairy about it all. The cost of a trailer against a van is cheaper but, being short and low it looks a bit difficult to reverse etc should i have to. Any feedback would be appreciated. I've looked at vans and narrowed it down to the Citroen Fiat Pergeot Expert type but prices are expensive compared to a cheap

Hello all, my appologies for dwelling on the quite boring subject of bike transport but on my last post i was looking at a Citroen Berlingo van. Well this purchase didnt happen for reasons too boring to mention. Anyway i am looking for a smallish van, something that isnt too huge to use for everyday transport as i dont require a van for any other reason. The thing is i dont want somthing so small that it is the equivalent of that Laurel and Hardy sketch where Olly tries to fit his eloped wife into an Austin 7 (i think). Therefore i noticed that the swb ford transit connect has 60mm more load length than the berlingo although oddly (according to spec sheet) it has less load width by 110mm. I would just like to hear from anyone who knows if this vehicle is adequate for transporting 1 trial bike although as i said in my last post i do realise that i dont expect to fit one in while standing and swinging a cat. Anyway i promise not to post anymore boring van questions and get on with the task of settling on a model and buying one as soon as i get some feedback on this one, Cheers all.

Well i think its looking good then, I'll get onto the Berlingo tomorrow, Thanks montmad.

Cheers Arun, It appears that it could be the van to go with but how easy is it for you to fit it in while ducking down etc , i know its got to be a bit of bend and shove but is it reasonable without being a contortionist and without bending plastics all over the place-I know the answer could be - well get a Dispatch then but if at all possible i would rather not -if its a reasonably straight forward loading affair i would get the Berlingo, cheers

Thanks Doogie thats what i was hoping to here, the bike i am looking at is the montesa 4rt, there must be more room than i thought if you can get 2 in, not that i need to do that

Perhaps i should just buy it while its still there, iotherwise i will have to spend about another 2K on the Dispatch.

That seems hopeful for the Berlingo van then, do you have to put the front wheel on full lock or do you place the rear wheel to the opposite side of the vehicle to the front wheel. Thats very good of your wife to allow it good on ya.

Hello all, can anyone tell me if a trials bike fits into a Citroen Berlingo van, i dont expect to be able to ride it in of course but can it be positioned inside without taking bits of the bike? The reason i ask is that i have noticed a very good deal on a nice one that is local to me. I can not take a bike round to try it as i am currently without one & will buying one next month. I have looked at load space but what i need is for someone to be able to tell me that knows as you cant beat good first hand advice, cheers Andy.

I like the T Ride with the trials front mudguard, theres no where you couldnt go on this bike off road, I cant to see more coverage of it.

Yes absolutely agree, i think it would make a great trail ldt bike and for green laning too, perhaps it might not be suitable for enduros without some suspension mods but perhaps it is not meant to be an enduro bike, I think its perfect as a trail trialer like the pampera was and i think ill just accept that ill keep a seperate mount for enduro but to be honest my current thumper is not suitable for enduros its a Honda XR650L which is a dual purpose bike so ill change that in time for somthing like a Husky WR250 or something like that and use the T Ride as a LDT and general play bike which i think is ideal.

yes thats true the 250 2T longride and 250 4T longride would be the next option i dont know why i missed them out. I like the T ride though because it does have a seat but not too much height that detracts from its trial heritage. I got in a right situation in spain over christmas on a huge enduro bike and i said to my mate then who was stuck with me "we'd easy get out of this if we were on trial bikes" the problem was we wouldnt have got there if we were on 2T trilas bikes as we were in the Siera Nevada. A bike in between a trial and a trail would have been a dream in that situation but then again i was on a XR650L in a basin gorge where only really a trial bike should have gone, it was a right swaet i tell thee.

I suppose all i needed to say was that the Scorpa video clip of the T ride says it all, its everything i want out of a bike, great fun.

The Scorpa T ride is everything i have been looking for it fills a gap in the market that no one else has done since the great but appalingly built Pampera. I was going to make do with there underpowered air cool longride but will keep what i have until September and buy the T ride. If anyone from Scorpa is looking in on this then keep up the build quality as i personally would rather pay the necessary extra than experience the miserable quality again of the Pampera. Oh and please have a red white and black colour scheme option like on the little air cooled 4 stroke. I seriously think this is a great concept missed by many manurfacturers as i like long distance trials but on a bike that can still be treated like a trials bike unlike the rest of the oposition like Serows, CRF230F's. Scorpa nearly had it right with the TYS175 longride but if it was only a 250. Excelent one Scorpa i am for one excited about this, with thought like this Scorpa deserve more and more success, and i hope they get it. Yamahas tricker even got it all wrong (ok i know it was a street bike-but who is interested in the street-not me). This T ride is going to make a lot of people happy, you could green lane it, you could LDT, you could trial it, you could ride it recreationally, you could reach places that would be a right slog on an enduro bike, basically you could ride it how you like but its roots are in trials. I havnt seen anything like it thats hits the spot since Hondas old TLR200,250,250R but its more than any of those can offer today so wake up Honda.

I must say that if its a question between quality for more money or a shoddy load of crap i would always go with the quality. I am knew to trials at a mature age but have around 15 years experience of enduro bikes & road bikes and have to say that owning shoddy quality is a nasty experience. Of course budgets are different but if you enjoy what you do you tend to put it above other waseful life purchases like smoking & drinking etc. I'm not moralising about these decisions people make but if you have to approach anything on the budget of asian replica bikes like

Thanks all of you who have posted your thoughts on the various model options i cant help being driven towards the Mont 4rt but as i am new to trials in any serious way i appreciate all the tips you all gave, I'll try a couple of models including the Beta and would even consider a 315 if it was a nice example. I had nearly bought a new one a couple of years ago and regret i will never get the opportunity to do that now. At the time i opted for a TLR200 as i thought it was alot cheaper but alas it was allot dearer by the time i got carried away with rebuilding it. Nice it is but i wish i had done things differently now but ive learnt. Cheers All Oh and boydw thanks for the offer of the 4RT i need a little time to look into things a little further but i am interested but wont make any promises yet of course but if you want to e mail me the pics of your bike i would be interested to see them and maybe if you still have it by the time ive come to a conclusion ill be in contact. My e mail address is damagedtwo@msn.com. Regards Andrew/frontroomautos

i realise there can be no straight forward answer exactly to my question, but i am looking to venture onto a newish trials bike after riding mostly old bikes like my Honda TLR200. I am looking to purchase a near new 2nd hand bike and am looking to purchase the bike on its quality and durability, i realise that you can not really directly pitch 4 st againt 2 st in terms of what is better but i have only ever owned 4 stroke trials bikes that some might consider antiquated today & of course they are in direct comparison with modern bikes. I would like to know really how bad is maintainance (Re rebores etc...) on the average modern 2 stroke compaired to say that of the Mont 4RT, Is the 4RT quite high maintainance to what i am use to (disregarding the cost of the bike of course)? I realise this is probablly a perhaps a daft question to the well experienced among you but i have only really riden recreationally and believe it or not have never owned a 2 stroke bike of any sort so have no idea about the durability although i know they are easier to work on when they need it. Finally then in either case 2 or 4 could anyone point me towards the best known bikes for quality of build, I have around

Hello all, i have 4 questions, can anyone help me with the facts or even just some of the facts? How many Honda TLR200's were produced? How many Honda TLR250's were produced? How many Honda RTL250's were produced? And Finally, How many Honda TLR250R's? Regards frontroomautos (Andy)

I have just joined and just noticed your question so i might be a bit late with any help offered by now. Yes the washer is the back up ring as you say there should be one in both fork sliders though (as is obvious). I have noticed that it looks from the photo that who ever changed the seals at some point in the past hammered them home quite hard as i remember when i did mine that there was a bush that pertrudes about 1mm (approx). When i took mine apart the back up ring sat on this and the seal on the backup ring. (The back up ring lip side faced upwards). The circlip then seated in the slider groove & butting against the top of the oil seal. However when i took the right fork apart the same was true except it appeared that the bush lip that the backup ring was sitting on had been knocked or shunted down 1mm-the result being that the backup ring and therefore oil seal had also shifted down 1mm which left a 1mm gap between the top of the oil seal and the circlip. I dont think this had been a problem, i would never have known unless i had taken them apart but i dont know how to raise the bush 1mm & didnt consider it drastic enough to do so so i put in new seals which of course sat the same. I suppose i could have shunted the other bush down to match but didnt. I thought that if need be in the future that i could machine up a washer to sit on top of the oil seal and make up the 1mm gap between it and the oil seal. This is how i found mine, im just mentioning this out of interest as i noticed that in the picture you provide of the inside of the fork sliders it seems that the bush lip has also been driven down slightly. I'm sure there is no great problem with this unless anyone knows otherwise? Regards frontroomautos.

Hello All, i have just joined, I have a broard interest and am reasonably active in various off road disciplines though in a recreational sort of way. I am currently comming to completion of a TLR200 restoration project which has been enjoyable although at times difficult to source parts. I am looking to become more involved in trials but i am especially interested in Long Distance Trials. I appreciate all styles and types of trials but this appeals to me more as it sort of ties in with my interest in Enduro (although i appreciate its loose relation). Thats it for now just my introduction, oh and my front room isnt as bad as my user name suggests.