mickwren

Somehow when I saw this topic it just had to be from over the pond

Dear all. Thanks for the interest in the Lakes 2 Day Trial. Please don't send any more entries because any received can not be guaranteed to be accepted. Numbers etc will be announced soon Thanks Mick Wren

Yes that's right The ACU will e.mail licence holders if you send them aset of regs and this what we did. Sorry it arrived in a suspect manner but it's good to hear that they were actually sent out

Lakes 2 Day regs are now available on our web site. We tried a new method of sending them out which doesn't appear to have been much of a success but you can now download them at www.lakes2daytrial.com Mick Wren Secretary

You forgot to say that bikes should weigh at least 300lbs,have 4 ply tires and riders must wear Barbour suits and cork crash helmets

Sorry I don't know I only found it was on by sheer chance

Last year the FIM came up with the phrase " Dynamic Trials" well at last there has been some success. I just watched the Portugese round on Eurosport and I have never seen trials riders move so fast !!

Maybe Michael is missing Shaughan ?

We keep hearing the the WC is crap etc. Complaints about reducing the section time to 1 minute, travelling all that way to ride 30 sections at a maximum of 1 minute each making a total of 30 minutes riding for the day, but you are saying that it is ok to have trial so easy that all tie deciders are used up to the piont where the decision goes to the person who got his day over the quickest. Thats not what trialing is about in my book

I get wound up when people make rash statements about events they weren't at so I am going to do the same. Over the past few weeks we have had all and sundry playing hell about hard events but sureley the Portugese event has shown that it is a bigger farce when things are too easy. Jack Challoner 7 points, 8th place sorry its just not on. I will wait to be shot down in flames

What a great effort by all our lads just to even get there. Top that off with some brilliant results they should all be proud of themselves. even 2 more bloody thirds for Jack Challoner he must be pleased with that !!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear all As Andy says it's been along weekend and patience is a virtue. When the last round of the World Indoor was moved onto the date of this trial we had to look for another option, having already spent months organising the calendar. The only option we could find was 11th April but this was no good as Dave was unavailable for the whole of April so I said that I would do the results as this was probably the only way we could get the event to run. Dave gave me the programme and I set about learning how to use it. Having been flooded out of my house in November I have been working 13 or 14 hour days trying to get back into my house so didn't get as much practice as I might have liked. Anyway, thanks to loads of help from Rhoda ( who has helped Dave in the past ) we managed to get a result but I just couldnt get the results to sort into order. Having driven 5 hours home I then set to and cut and pasted the whole results into order and finally got them sent out around midnight only to wake up this morning to find the world had stopped because some of you had to wait a couple of hours. I have now sent PDF results to Andy so world order should be restored soon. Yours in sport Mick Wren

I totally accept "Hillary's" point about the ammount of work that went into this,and all,events. I know that this was an excellent event I accept that the queuing etc was minimal and nobody was turned away. None of this was the point I was making. These days everybody just thinks they can ride in every event in the calendar and even in an event like this where there were classes for most types of bikes and riders, the few who didn't fit the criteria still expect to ride

I have just seen the results of the North Lancs Angela Redford Trial, a round of the Normandale Traditional Trials Championship. Looking at the results this would appear to have been a excellent trial with around 160 entries. There were classes for just about every type of machine and category of rider, so why "Guest Riders"? Guest riders are for when you are trying to boost a small entry. The real problem is that this is typical of Trials today, everybody thinks they can ride in everything, sorry lads if you didn't fit any of the classes available in this event then take the hint and find one that did

You are dead right Pete. Last Thursday at the Trials and Enduro Committee meeting we were hearing how the National Rally takes entries via Pay Pal and it is definately something for clubs to seriously consider for even small events. The world moves on and if we are only one step behind then we are getting somewhere

Make sure you withold your number when you ring, you wouldn't want Wrighty ringing you back. lol ( sorry Andy is that text speak) ?

The latest installment of the No Stop/Dynamic saga sees Sammy Miller writing in TMX. Sammy was British Champion for 11 consecutive years, he won over 1100 trials, he didn't believe in being second, he was dominant in British Trials for roughly 2 decades yet in the fairy tale world that is No Stop Land we are expected to believe that roughly 80 % of the 150 riders who turned up at events actually had a good chance of beating Sammy. I don't think so. Yet again we get the fairy tale that the Scottish and the Scott are only good because they are no stop. This is almost like expecting us to believe that if you are riding round some sh*tty ex brick works at a wednesday night trial, under no stop you can imagine that you are in a beautiful Scottish Glen. The best one yet is that if you buy yourself some bats and a ball or two you can actually turn up and play golf with Tiger Woods, or tennis with Roger Fedderer! I don't think so. Actually Trials is one of the very few sports where you CAN compete in the same event as a World Champion, just because you're not good enough doesn't mean you can't. As I keep saying, go No Stop by all means but only if it best for our sport, not because it always used to be !!!

I have just read an interview that Malcolm Rathmell gave where he states "Trials rules worked well for over 60 years until some smart a*** ( no doubt sat in an office like all modern day decisions are made) decided to start messing with the rules. This is just absoluteley not true. The rules were changed to fall in line with the way the riders were riding at that time. Riders like Jordi Tarres and Bernie Schrieber were doing things which at that time seemed incredible. I remember as clear as if it was yesterday sitting in the Farmers Arms at Lowick at a Barrow Club meeting where we had been asked ( presumably by the ACU) to vote on this new style of riding and scoring. Everyone in that room EXCEPT ME voted in favour of the new rules. I believed that the rules were there and should be adhered to, just because the riders were doing things contrary to the rules was not a reason to change them. Despite my current oposition to No Stop I did at one time feel the oposite way. So, Malc, it was not some office bound smart a*** who was responsible for this but rider power. The headline of this topic is "Kidding Ourselves" and that is what Malc is doing. As I have stated in other posts, if we are going to save trials we have to do it by putting it on a firm foundation, not just by pushing the parts we like and keeping quiet about the negative parts. By all means lets go back to no stop, but only if that is the best way forward, not just because we weren't told all the pros and cons of each argument

Well done to the ladies TDN Team, Brilliant effort

Entries for the lakes are now full. Thank you all for your interest. Everyone who has sent an entry to date has been accepted. Numbers, start times will be notified shortly following a committee meeting this evening. Cheers Mick. P.S Pitty we voted to go no stop we could have been the first to use the new "dynamic" rules

I fully agree, top man and a great acheivement

Thanks for your interest. Its quite a long way round so travelling on foot is not really a good idea. Access by car is possible to a large part of the route and it should be possible to get to 2 or 3 groups of sections per day. The final route is still being finalised so I can't be any more precise at the moment Mick Wren Event Secretary

Lakes 2 Day Regs are now ready, for you express copy e.mail mick.wren@virgin.net will send them straight back Mick Wren

Thanks for the ACU kicking. You might like to know that when John Collins went to Geneva to the FIM meeting which JD was so peeved about,he spoke to delegates from Spain, France, Italyand Norway among others, and the grass roots sport is dieing in some of these countries. Entries in most ACU classes have actually gone up this year, we must be doing something right

I have replied to JD with my view on this subject. The one thing that I cannot let go unchallenged is the SCOTT TRIAL argument. The Scott has returned to the excellent event it always used to be. The reason for this return to the top of the trials ladder is NOT because it went "no stop" and magically got better, it has got better because a group of devoted, dedicated,hard working trials fanatics ( Richmond Motor Club) have devoted hours of their time and energy into making it better. I believe it is an insult to their efforts to say that "no stop" is responsible for this upturn in fortunes. Further to this I also believe this is a typical example of the myth that has been put into plece about "no stop" events. The fact is the SCOTT might claim to be "no stop" but there is no way it could ever be run in true "no stop" style, the very nature of the SCOTT doesn't alow this to happen. If there is more than one bike in a section at one time and somebody falls off, the next one may have to balance till the section clears. This sums up the "no stop" argument for me, they like the idea that things will be easier under these rules, but they don't want to be given a five for stopping, its called having your cake and eating it. Good luck to all involved in the SCOTT this year