outlaw dave

An interesting thread, and as the guy that introduced some of the latest WTC rules in Canada, I find many of the posts quite entertaining, Of course at age 75, I get a chuckle out of comments made about old farts ! - I wonder how many events would take place if it wasn't for the old guys? As I see it - our sport now has two different types of event. - there is the spectator friendly indoor style, which caters to the trick riders, and the outdoor arena, that still attracts the average guy or gal, wanting a nice day out in the woods - maybe a campout with the kids, and a chance to practice what the original concept was way back in 1909 - balance the bike while keeping your feet on the footpegs. The WTC or Canadian way, is to try to put on events that cater to everybody - local club's are allowed, to adjust classes, etc for their region, while National Championship Trials, must follow the WTC rulebook, to the letter. - Not that this is an easy task, as just as on this forum, everybody seems to have a different opinion on how to interpret the rules. To blame the FIM for being out of touch, is I think a bit harsh, as are similar comments about the factories wanting the changes so that they can sell more bikes. - At the end of the day, 90% of all Trials riders are out there for the fun, and as far as I can tell, most new blood is coming from Enduro riders who want to ride like Graham Jarvis ( or Cody Webb) The new No Stop rules, will only work, if Trials Masters ( Clerks of the course) have a good sense of what is possible at the various class levels, and ajust the degree of difficulty to suit. - Longer loops can make events enjoyable for all, while still featuring a variety of natural obstacles to test all abilities. - For the Hop & Bop guys - clubs can fit shorter around the parking lot style Trials, into their schedule, so that everybody gets to ride what they prefer. - and yes in our North Country Trials, we do have the odd 3rd gear splat, but we also have cambered turns that often take points from so called Experts. In the 1970's the Japanese were misled into thinking that Trials was going to be a huge spectator sport - in the year 2013, we are faced with World sections that only the top three or four riders can even get through - what is the point or future in that? - Is returning to the grass roots of "No Stop" the answer? - I guess we will all have a better idea at the end of the season. - In the meantime, this old fart has a busy year ahead planning a Canadian National, that will likely see around 60-70 riders attend. - - they will come because they like what we do, we won't be using the No Stop rules, but will be enforcing the five minute stationary dab, which in my opinion only makes sense.

First thing to check is the waterpump - could be just the seal has gone, but also check for any corosion around the inside of the case.

What year and model Beta do you have? - is it a Rev 3?

Very good opinions by Old Trials Fanatic and Zippy - I agree 100% that Trials should not be all about hitting a rock wall in 3rd etc - the No Stop rule, while not my choice, even though that's the way we all did it back in the day,- can work, if the Organizer gets it right. - I suggest some of the people who say it can't be done on modern bikes - check out the video of Takumi Narita in 1994 - 90% of what he did way back then was No Stop. - The top riders can and will adapt to the change, and make it look easy. - But only if the Organizer knows what he or they are doing. - If rule changes encourage more people to try our sport, then I think it's worth consideration. - For the record, up here in the frozen North, the WTC will stick with the old stop allowed rule for 2013. - But then again, we don't have a World Round in our schedule, and a lot of our sections can be ridden no-stop anyway.

That should all be available from John Lampkin the Beta Importer - check out his on line order desk

Check that carb for sure - if the the FUEL screw is nearly all the way out - you likely have too small a pilot jet - a #36 or #38 is used by most over this side of the pond - the screw should only be about 2-3 turns out. - Get that fixed then do as the other threads suggest & check ignition.

That view reminds me of when I worked in South Wales for a while - thanks for posting

Are you running your chain too tight?

I noticed a lot of riders weren't wearing gloves!! Brrrrr.

Check this vintage site for Colorado info: www.blackcatvintagetrials.com

Three rounds now confirmed - total of six different events, each round a two day. - Summerland, BC, in May, - Vancouver, BC, in July, - Quebec in September.- Best performance in 4 out of 6 to count.

We use Opti-4 5w30 or 10w40 in the Trials bikes - it's available in Canada and the USA - it's non-synthetic so no clutch problems.

Applications are being accepted to host rounds of the WTC Canadian Championship for 2013 - so far one round in Vancouver has been confirmed for July (2day), while two others are pending.

New bikes work great, no need to mess with them - just get out & ride.

And I have pics of 0007 "Steaming" after a short hard Trial ride.

The 2013 World Trial at the TTC is an FIM event - therefore it has to be run under the latest FIM rules - lots of opinions posted, but at the end of the day this is the fact.

Here's an idea - As most of the World Rounds have gone to "parking lot" sections around the final sign off - why not have the rest of the loop as "No stop" with the last couple as Stop allowed spectator sections. ?? That would seem to keep everybody happy.

I've still got a brand new rear mudguard for a JCM - I brought the Europa model into Canada in 1990.

The Trial went ahead as scheduled, in spite of snow and -9 temperatures - we were pleasantly surprised to have a good turn out of riders, and raised a total of $745.00 for the Cancer Fund. - results and pics can be seen by visiting the blog at www.outlawtrials.com

Neat stuff - thanks for sharing

As you were - The Trial is back as originally scheduled - Vintage Saturday afternoon - Modern Sunday - forecast is for "cool" weather with flurries

Latest update - The Trial has been re-scheduled for Saturday November 10th - start time 10am - check the blog on www.outlawtrials.com for further news

Unfortunately, the weather forecast has changed for next weekend with snow now predicted for Saturday/Sunday. - We will monitor the situation and decide late Thursday if it will be possible to go ahead with the Trial. - Details will be posted on the blog of www.outlawtrials.com

The caliper seals may be binding due to a build up of dirt - worth checking

The 3rd annual Ady Brown Memorial Trial will take place at Summerland BC next weekend November 10/11th - Although the date is late in the year because of other calendar changes due to Forest Fire Hazards, The long term foecast looks good, with no big snow storms predicted. - Adrian Brown, was a transplanted Cockney - who made friends with everybody he met in Western Canada, he was always full of fun, and enjoyed his Trials riding in the Okanagan Valley, Sadly he was diagnosed with cancer while on a visit to England back in 2001, and although he survived another nine years, living in the UK, and riding Trials with his buddies for some time, he finally passed away at the young age of 51. As a tribute to Ady, and other friends that we have lost, we will gather on November 11th, to remember them, and the millions of people who died in World Wars. - "Lest we Forget" ++++++++++