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white tube = fast black tube = slow just peel the grip back a little to see The black version pulls less cable given the same rotation compared to the white. This just slows the carb slide and reduces power per amount of twist.

? About the sag ? Is that with or without the rider? I have new-to-me 03 2.9 and don't know what the suspension setup should normally be.

I lock both brakes.

LOL, name one company that brags when their rider isn't doing well. That's not marketing.

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Thanks for the invite. I have heard you guys have some great spots to ride. I will keep that in mind for next winter.

I have a sticky on my calender with your event dates. It is pretty far and I am considering another 2-day comp in Colorado on the same weekend. But nothing is set in stone yet, so I may be there.

Well, after nearly 2 months of buying gear, spare parts, doing initial setup '03 Sherco 2.9 and waiting for the snow to clear, I got my true first ride in this weekend. We had great weather and I got in almost 3 hours on my new bike. I was initially nervous and a bit timid of the bike. I haven't been on any dirt bike for about 5 years and this 2.9 seems to have tons-o-grunt. After about 1/2 hour of playing and wheelies up small ledges I started to loosen up. The slow throttle made me more comfortable compared to the few short runs I had with the faster one. I was practicing fig-8's and wheelies. But I also wanted to have some fun besides structured practice. I alternated play riding sections and working on the basics to keep it interesting. I even got in some speed runs in rolling hills and did some fun power wheelies. You couldn't wipe the smile off my face all day. I even tried some bigger logs and rock ledges later in the day. I had one minor laydown when I rolled into a rock section without walking a line first and got off ballance. Other than that, I had a perfect first day. Some here may know that I ride bike trials from my earlier posts asking for advice. I have to say that I think the basic balance transfers over well. I also noticed that for a ride of similar length and effort, I was far less sore after my moto ride. Bike trials seem more demanding on my knees in particular. I am usually sore for a day after a full day on the bicycle. The only soreness I had after the moto ride was my lower back. I attribute that to just being out of shape in general and not having prior experience in moto trials. I'm 33 and was hoping the moto trials would be easier on my body. It seems to be true. But I still plan to ride both because TRIALS RULES, whether powered by me or dino fuel. Now I have three weekends to practice before my first comp. I think that will be plenty of time to get more comfortable on the bike and be ready for one of the entry level classes. I want to thank all who helped me over the last 3 months. Your input and expertise helped me get a bike I am very happy with. I am soooo excited to keep learning on and off the bike. This should be a great summer.

I had the same experience with hairspray on my mountain bike. Tipped it in a creek and had two throttles for my MTB. Not really fun being 10 miles in the back country. After that, I tried some 3M spray adhesive. This is super gooey and holds grips well even when wet. You do have to be quick thought because it sets up really fast. I like this because you don't have to wait long to be able to ride. I also wire both ends just to try to keep water out in the first place.

So 3-in-1 or a light cable lube then? Cool, I was guessing any type of grease would be too thick. I'm just waiting on my new carb jets to show and I should be able to get my first real ride in this weekend. Thanks for the info.

I also have a new/used 03 2.9. I am ready to add the slow throttle I just bought, but have a question. What do I need to use for lube between the throttle and handlebar? Do I need to lube the inside too?

I understand your point about the title of the thread, BUT It is pretty obvious that this second link is what it is.

Just because the rules get misinterpeted doesn't mean the rules are the problem. Most of these issues seem to be lack of communication. The organizers, observers, and riders all need to know the rules in place at each event. This could be easily handled with a meeting in the morning before the start. Call all riders and observers around and quickly cover the basic rules. No need to go over everything, but at least bring up the most common issues or rules that may change from one set of rules to another. As to problems on course. I agree with not making problems with the observers at the time. But it would seem helpfull to have an official "protest" method. Back in my MX days, we could file a protest if there was a problem with a rider. You might be able to do the same here if there is a problem with a score from a mistake in understanding or applying the rules. Just file when you return from the current loop and it could be reviewed by the event organizer. Maybe this would take too much time? We have to realize the riders and observers are all human and make mistakes. There should be a way to rationally discuss any possible problems.

ditto to the ebay/alchol warning my brother ended up with one by "accident" too. All you need to do is get a few tie downs. Run the bike forward against the front wall of the trailer. Use one tiedown off each side of the handle bars (near the clamps) and possibly one for the rear tire. They shouldn't need to be too tight.

Here is another parallel. My brother is a "professional" archer. He has a deal for free bows, arrows and related equipment. But he only makes money from winning. He gets the purse money from the event and his sponsors pay for top finishes too. Just like trials, it's not enough to pay the bills so he has a day job too. Pro's like this are to be commended IMHO. They work as hard as possible to attain and maintain top level skills even while paying the bills. They don't have the freedom like pros' in other sports to just do their competition for money. It is definately work. My brother trains twice a day, every weekday and more on the weekends. It can take a great sport and take some of the fun out. But is still beats a regular job for level of enjoyment.

Agreed *handshake* I like hearing about the origin of moto especially since I am new this this form of trials. I see your points about the move towards the hopping style. I actually like a smoothe rolling style too. A bike rider came up with a similar technique that focused on eliminating setup and recovery hops. He wanted all movement to be positive to attaining the final goal of completing a tough line. To that end, I appreciate the way the no-stop rule would lead a person to ride. Thanks for sharing your history and viewpoints.

FYI: Old farts with sore muscles use Bengay for releif and guys starting to bald use Rogain to regrow hair. And noggin is slang for head. All of which fit the lame stereotype of an older guy. The joke is that those are imparing your judgement. I just decided to play to stereotypes just like you did to Jack and I. Fun isn't it?! Like you guys just grab a role of tape and toss it into the air, RIGHT. You make choices as to what a rider has to ride over. And you set markers to direct classes over the appropriate obstacles for their skill level. It's not to hard if you can walk and chew gum at the same time. You are the one who started the personal attacks. (Bloody kids, Hair gel, Hopping to show off, insulting my riding ability, etc.) I just decided to follow your lead to prove a damn point. If you care to have a real discussion, have some respect and don't start that sh_t in the first place.

How 'bout we quit the bitchin' and mud slingin' and shift the topic? What is trials to you, and why do you ride? Trial for me is about overcoming challenges. I love the feeling of climbing or riding difficult obstacles. Especially when you have to work for days or even years to ride a specific line clean. I like comps because of the social aspect. And it is good to be pushed by better riders. I can also learn faster when watching someone do a technique that I havenlt learned yet. But most of my riding is solo and just about what I can ride. Personal challenges are the most rewarding for me.

There is no need to have hop/non-hop classes. Hopping is a more advanced skill and should only be required in sections ridden by more capable riders. Here is an example of how the classes and sections are described under our rules. -------------------- Novice - for first time riders being introduced to formal trials competition. Sections are essentially a difficult trail, with wide turns, no steps, and lots of recovery room. An experienced rider should be able to clean a section sitting down in second gear with no clutch work. Amateur - riders that understand the sport and are developing their basic skills. An experienced rider should be able to clean a section standing on the pegs, in second gear with no clutch work. Intermediate - riders who have a good start on their skill development. Sections include tighter turns, small steps and recovery time between obstacles. Advance - riders who have a good development of their skills and are a competent competitor. Sections should be technically difficult, with bigger steps. Multiple obstacles close together are allowed, although footing support needs to be on both sides of the bike. Hopping should not be required, but would be helpful. Expert - riders who don't want to compete at the pro level and have advanced out of the advance class. Sections are the same difficult as NATC support class sections. Sections should not be dangerous to man or machine. A spotter should not be needed. Pro-experienced - consistent and extremely competent rider. Sections should be equivalent level to NATC Pro/Championship/Expert levels. Large obstacles, very tight turns, and hopping are a must. Sections should not be dangerous to man or machine. -------------------- You simply set the sections to provide for the appropriate style of riding to match the ability of the class. And contrary to the thoughts of some of the Viagra popping fogies in this thread, stopping and hopping is not about showing off. It allows a person to approach obstacles in a way that might not be possible otherwise. The only thing that matters is the specific rules and that the section is set with those in mind. And before the trials gestapo think I am promoting this for YOUR RULES, no. It works for us and your mileage may vary. -------------------- @ Old Trials Fartastic We have plenty of irony on this side of the pond. Too bad you have the wrong idea about what it means. Here are two definitions for your enlightenment. 1) The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning. 2) An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning. It is closely related to sarcasm. Your last statement that you claim is irony, "Thank god for the Atlantic." implies that you are happy that we have a large separation. I definitely agree with you, but the literal words and your sentiment match and therefore are NOT IRONY. Correct Examples: Saying "Nice weather!" when it is raining or "Marriage is the leading cause of divorce." or, more relevant to our discussion, "I wish we weren't so far apart so we could spend more time together." That's OK though. I know the Bengay fumes and Rogain must be affecting your noggin. I actually enjoy a rousing discussion. It's great to know that I can say anything I want as long as I add a few smiles just to keep it light.

Bad math on your part. One rider can ride each section at the same time as 9 others in the other sections(per your example). So, your wrong by a factor of 10 to start with. 2 minutes was just an example. It works fine for our comps which have far fewer than 100 riders. You could use any time that was appropriate. 30 seconds to 1.5 minutes or whatever. You could even choose a time that is similar to straight riding if you wanted to discourage stops. I doubt a rider could complete a normal section any faster than 30 seconds unless they are in the wrong class. If I'm wrong on my estimate above, then just show me some example vids with a lines start-to-finish. Normal trials ain't drag racing. It is supposed to be difficult and take more time than plain trail riding. I have been respectful throughout this discussion and just tried to explain a different point of view. Seems you are unwilling or unable to do the same. At least I am willing to listen to another opinion and consider it fully before throwing it out like garbage. You can stick your and your bad attitude where the sun don't shine.

Thanks Dave, I will certainly look into that event. On the stop penalty, is it allowed to use the front brake to lift the rear tire and pivot to change direction? It may be possible to do this with the front wheel rolling, but not always. I understand the theory of the non-stop just fine, but I think it could lead to alot of questionable calls. Some are clear cut for sure. It just seems like a can of worms. As to people taking to long in sections without a stop rule, just use a time limit for the section. We use 2 minutes and if you aren't out before the buzzer, you get a 5. As always there are many ways to skin a cat. And just because I come from a bicycle background doens't mean I plan to hop every damn section. I just want the freedom to use any skills I have to clean a section. Rules are rules and it we had no-stop, I would follow that. It just seems like old-school thinking to me.

I know about the rules and that it is considered a mistake in your current rules. I know this isn't a freestyle sport and there are no considerations for style. Re-read both of my posts and you can see I clearly stated these points. MY MAJOR POINT IS THAT I THINK A DAB POINT FOR STOPING IS A BAD RULE!!! Is that clear enough? Believe it or not, rules can be changed when needed or desired. They aren't carved in stone tablets that were given from above. Lucky for me, we are not bound by that lame rule where I ride. They saw the need for a change to fit new abilities and adjusted their thinking and the rules to match. Progression of two types: first in rider ability to handle a bike, second in rules to meet those new abilities. I was just making a case for you to consider why the rule may be bad. Whether your groups choose to change or not is not a problem for me.

Just because it was done one way, doesn't mean you can't come up with new ways. All riding skills are just like tools to me. A rider should be free to choose any and all they want to complete a section. There is no mandatory component to how we have to ride a section. Enter at the start gate, stay between the tape, and exit the finish gate. Just penalize for MISTAKES like dabs and such. A point for being able to stop and balance is crazy to me.

I'll jump in Jack's corner. Surely the best rider picks the line with the least amount of effort and difficulty. If that means moving sideways by hopping to link lines together, so be it. This ain't ice dancing. We don't have to ride the same line or rider it the same way. It is about ability to overcome obstacles without making mistakes (dabs), not style or mandatory moves. I come from a bicycle trials background. I can't imagine how far back the sport would be now if comps didn't allow hopping and balancing. These sports are about progression in ability as well as technique. Just when I think they can't gap further or jump higher, someone come up with a new way to do it. Moto should be the same in my eyes I take pride in my ability to roll, stop and balance when ever and where ever I need to. And if I can reposition the bike by hopping, then I am just that much better. This just seems like a lame rule to me and stuck in the mud mentality, but then again I'm a freeking noob.

http://www.shercousa.com/pdfs/sherco_setup...ation_guide.pdf has the torque settings on the early pages. http://www.shercousa.com/content2.cfm?action=9 I recently got an 03 and this is the site I found most of the manuals I needed, lots of good info. I haven't seen anything on suspension setup though. I need to do some searching. The manual lists 80:1 premix.