old trials fanatic

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Well said Stewart and welcome. Most riders are a real friendly bunch and we all love the atmosphere. Jim will look after you I can guarantee that. Genuine enthusiast and he deserves all our support. If I can be of any help just ask.

Agreed but you cant blame people for taking him to task for his jaundiced views. Perhaps Andy should start a separate forum for ttspud to rant on ?

What insult and abuse ? you need to get out more. "Did you manage to apologise to the other party you abused earlier yet?" Who ? who am i supposed to have abused now ? I havent abused anybody and i am sure if i had Andy would have removed my post and or had a word with me which he hasnt by the way. ​My comment was humorous something else you cant seem to grasp. It must be a very different world down where you live in oversensitiveland. It was and is you and your constant diatribes that have and continue to cause anyone thinking of taking part in classic clubs events to have second thoughts when they see P65 stallwarts like yourselves propounding your constant rants and dummy spitting just because nobody adopted the "rules" you proposed. What have Jim Pickering, Alan Whitton, Paul Jackson, Duncan McDonald etc ever done to you ? All they are doing is trying to earn a living supplying parts and bikes to people who want to buy them. If there was no demand then they wouldnt be able to sell them would they ? Instead they are all swamped with work more than they can cope with. Keep having a pop at me and Peak Classic NOT Peaks BTW if you like but at least i am putting events on and trying to give the lads somewhere they can ride on a regular basis. What are you ACTUALLY DOING on the ground to promote trials ? Dont site being a keyboard warrior as most of those dont even ride let alone organise events for others to ride in. Why hijack a thread when all a bloke wanted to know was some advice about "buying a Drayton Bantam" my advice was buy it you wont regret it . You advice so far is dont buy one buy a modern and compete in modern trials instead. OK thats advice and your opinion but then you have to go on and on about how bent P65 trials are etc. Tell that to Ben Butterworth who regularly rides his Ariel against modern bikes and beats them. Then again in your book his Ariel is a cheat bike. Go tell him that to his face this weekend i am sure he will really appreciate your input.

Oh so now I want to see "real " pre 65 bikes relegated to living in museums do I. When exactly did I say that? Don't want to see any bikes in museums or at shows for that matter they should be ridden no matter what they are. So you drew up a set of rules that you thought were the saviour of your sport as you see it. Did any club or association adopt them? What does that tell you? Did you set your own club up and put on events as I suggested or are you yet another keyboard warrior and not a doer? Just admit it hardly anyone wants to ride an original P65 not that I've ever seen one for 51 years and if you could find one it would probably cost about the same as a current british twinshock. You can pick up a decent second hand British trials bike like a Drayton for £3000 or less depending on what needs doing to it. Hardly expensive and cheaper than a lot of twinshocks so again what's the problem. No form of motor sport has ever been cheap so forget that old loak of cobblers. People just aren't interested in riding them. Back on theme. Best advice I can give on buying a Drayton bantam C15 or twin is do it you won't regret it. Anyway Jim deserves all our support at the moment. A genuine bloke just like the bikes he builds and sells.

How many more times do we have to keep regurgitating this old chestnut. It all stems from the choice of the term Pre65. I run a club and i honestly dont get riders coming up with all this cobblers i truthfully dont. If i did and there was enough support for it i would run a class for "genuine" P65 bikes whatever they are. But i just dont get interested people wanting to enter and believe me i like most club secretary's are desperate for entries so we are hardly likely to turn potential entries away. Its the same old whinge from the same old whingers every time. Anyway its all pretty much irrelevant as there is no scrutineering and i dont know of anybody who would want the job and finally no Trials organiser in his or her right mind is going to turn riders and income away. Park your rose tinted glasses and give it a rest. Everybody builds their bike how they want it to be. If you choose to have an exact copy of a bike from those so called halcyon days prior to December 31st 1964 then have one but stop trying to accuse everyone else that doesnt of cheating. You only cheat when you deliberately flount or contravene the rules of the organising club. Its NOT your shot it the event organiser or clerk of the course who decides. Doesnt trials have enough problems without a handful of anoraks trying to hasten its downfall ? I have said this numerous times before if you feel that strongly form your own club and organise your own events to YOUR OWN RULES you obviously know so much better than those of us who are stupid enough to every month bother to trapse around moorsides putting on events giving up 3 or 4 days of our own time for no thanks organising trials for the riders you accuse of being cheats. Whats the matter dont you have faith in your argument or are you intimidated by the overwhelming numbers of riders you would have to cater for. Good luck seriously good luck go and do it and let the rest of us get on with enjoying our sport.

IMHO go for the Fantic 200 its a no brainer. A lot of people say its one of the best twinshocks there is.

Totally agree with you. It's a ridiculous title and always was. Charlie used the term britshock which I also don't like but at least it's a much more accurate unambiguous title.

Why would that be an issue ? If you want to build a bike from parts which are all from 1964 or before then nobody will stop you and parts are freely available. Well you might struggle finding tyres but i am sure there is a mountain of Pre 65 parts available to build your bike from as nobody in their right mind wants them so they are very cheap too.

we are getting quite a way off topic now but i was brought up on the myriad of thread forms used on British bikes. To be honest i always metricate all my bikes nowadays because all those British threads drive me mad as do the spanner sizes etc. Metric is much easier to work on plus stainless fasteners etc are "cheap as chips" compared to the exorbitant prices charged for those bloody awful British thread fasteners and as for bearings its a night mare. Agree if you havent got access to maching and welding facilities you havent got a cat in hells chance of building a Pre 65. Relying on specialists means the build could and probably will take years which is why the Draytons are so popular.

Thanks Andy for clarifying. Well thats how all tie breaks should be decided in my book well done the organising committee. Incidentally Peak Classic has been doing this for 2 years now i didnt know it was a Scottish rule but i salute their good judgement.

I have a LOT of respect for Guy Martin for finishing the event. I cant have been easy for him as its a lot harder than you think it is. Hard enough just not to incur time penalties never mind low scores. How people manage to only drop 3 astounds me they are gods. Where i do have a me no understandy moment is when people say he got a wild card entry because he will lift the profile of the event, more publicity, blah blah blah. Look the event is already oversubscribed so apart from possibly selling a few more programmes which will obviously be of interest to the organising club i fail to see what benefit Guy Martin will have brung to the Scottish 2 day. As for the sport as a whole which does need all the help it can get what does a motor cycling superstar that is almost a household name communicate to the great unwashed of the country when he can master the TT course set wall of death records etc but comes last in a Pre 65 event ? Doesnt it possible say "i wouldnt bother trying this because its way too difficult for a superstar like Guy Martin to do so you wont stand a cat in hells chance". I hope i'm wrong but i fail to see what positive publicity has come out of Guy Martins 2016 Scottish 2 day ride. Which is a shame because i really am a fan of his and was so hoping he had a top 50 finish at the very least.

Probably tie break based on the age of the bike

Dont forget this Sunday Peak classic trials club hold round 4 of their club championship at teh ever popular venue of Dudwood Farm, Elton, Derbyshire. Signed off the B5056 just past the Winster crossroads heading for Youlgrave. Expert, Classic Expert, Intermediate, Classic Intermediate and Clubman routes. Classes for British Bikes, Twinshocks, Air cooled monos, Forgotten era and over 50's on moderns So something for everybody. We are an AMCA club so you dont even need a competition license so youve no reason not to come along and join in the fun. Start time is as usual 11.00am so come along and have some fun in the glorious Derbyshire Peak District.

Seen a lot worse. Wont take much to have that competitive.

I thought British Hub Co too.

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youre having a larf arent you

Just click on the link highlighted in red

A few guys locally have tried these but not one of them has been a sucess sadly and they have all reverted to 250 barrels. Those big bore conversions were a nightmare to set up and get running right. No real world benifit.

Alternatively ride at AMCA club trials where you dont need any licence / registration form etc.

If you are looking for somewhere to ride this Sunday and her indoors has signed your pass then come along to Stathams quarry, Stathams Farm Matlock. Opposite Matlock Golf Club on the Tansley to Chesterfield road the A632 post code DE4 5LZ. Start time 11.00 entries close 10 mins before the start. Expert, Classic Expert, Intermediate, Classic Intermediate and Clubman routes with classes for British Bikes, Twinshocks, Pre 95 air cooled monos, forgotten era and over 60's on moderns We are an AMCA club so no competition license required. Come along and have a great day out in the Derbyshire Peak District DE4DEZDE4 5LZ

Even if you have a "scrambles" barrel i wouldnt worry too much because most of the square Greeves barrels in use are "scrambles" barrels. Mine is and i done find any problems in trials at all.

Me neither.