old trials fanatic

No objection? Dream on charlie. Sincerely though i hope your bike whichever one you choose to submit gets an entry.

They may to you but to most of the English speaking world they dont mean the same at all. Thats basic English. FYI the term silhouette in common parlance would refer to what is effectively a shadow or for instance a cut out.Therefore by definition if the eligability prerequisite was a silhouette formula as used in a lot of motorsports the Bantam in question that nobody seems able to offer an opinion on would be eligable. However the "Pre65" LOL Scottish is not and does NOT mention sillhouette only as you quote identifiable. Well seing as everybody on here would recognise the bike in question and call it a Bantam, nobody else has called it a Tiger Cub or an Ariel, again by definition it must have been identified as such and therefore is identifiable as a Bantam so in line with the published, as against the nudge nudge wink wink underground paddock mutterings, eligability regs should be eligable for the event in question. That encapsulates the problem with the pre65 scottish and incidentally the whole "Pre65" thing there is no rule book for people to build to.

Bill i've just re read the regs and nowhere does it mention the words "silhouette" anyway just check the definition of silhouette in the OED and that wouldnt cover the "rectifications" you and others have made either. Again you refer to "they spoke to" which "they" quite possibly did but i still reiterate and i cant say it any clearer. There is nothing in the regs that mention the "rectifications" you were instructed to make. I have extracted the section on frame and engine from the regs to substantiate my statement.This would also allow the Bantam Woody illustrated to be eligable but doesnt explain why you had to modify your bike other than to follow the personal bias and whimsey of "somebody" at last years trial. I assume this person you spoke to speaks for the club and will apply this unwritten rule blindly to ALL competitors? Frame Pre ’65 design only. The rear subframe must resemble the original and be identifiable as such. Machines fitted with a bolt-on rear subframe must retain this feature. Triumph Tiger Cub machines must be fitted with a frame which has tube construction and “swan neck” steering head. Engine/Gearbox No Reed valves. No hydraulic clutch operation. No BSA/Triumph B25 type square fin barrel/head.

Just a reminder that we will be holding round 9 of the club championship this Sunday 28th at Stathams Farm opposite Matlock Golf Club start time 11.00am. Entries close at start. Classes for British Bikes, Pre85 Twinshocks and Pre95 Air cooled monos. As usual there will be routes for Expert, Classic Expert, Intermediate, Classic Intermediate and Clubman. For more details see our website www.peakclassic.co.uk More details after i have laid out so check back Saturday for an update.

How about get some photos of any commitee members bike who is entered and build a replica of that?

Bill ok you have made "rectifications" to your bike in line with what you were told. Where on the regs are these stipulations ? I cant find them! As per my previous post how can you be expected to build an eligable bike if you dont know what is and isnt eligable ?

Find that hard to believe Thing is where on the regs does it mention Ariels needing bolt on footrest to seat struts? This is my point exactly there needs to be a full, explicit and precise eligability sheet openly published for all to see so anybody entering can comply with it. Then if a particular mod is not covered nobody can complain. Theres too much nod and a wink and "understanding" going on. Is it too much to ask that they publish a full compliance list ? obviously because they dont the status quo suits their agenda. How the hell are you supposed to build a bike thats eligable if you dont know what is and what isnt eligable ? Whatever happens i bet you will still see some very dubious bikes finish in the top 30 at the event because they need certain people competing to encourage spectators who buy programmes. They have to make money to pay for it after all and it must cost a pretty penny to put on. Re the Bantam i'd let it in. If i's who i think it is then it'll be there anyway. Then again as i said before it's their event not ours and if they want to take their ball away it's their perogative.

Agreed Charlie find it hard to believe the guy was that stupid but they got caught fair enough. I hope the boy gets an entry too it's a great experience and one every serious British Bike, wont insult you with that stupid moniker pre65, rider should have on his CV. Good luck.

Cubette firstly thanks for your reply however i get the impression that your involvement in motorsport or appreciation of a competitors point of view is not the same as most. Anybody who is serious about competing in ANY form of motorsport will first look at the rules and second examine way in which they can exploit any grey areas in those regulations to thier advantage that is what motorsport is about. OK 5 competitors got caught for what some people determined as "infringements" thats the way of thing and doesnt surprise me in the least. The problem is with this event the elegability rules are worded so loosely that if you wanted you could exclude most of the field or not as the "scrutineer" feels fit. Any elegability rules should be quantifyable and measureable and most importantly specific. Those in play at this event never have been so people will always push the limit especially when they see some bikes allowed through and others not because the areas are so grey. One person last year was even told "youve got too much ground clearence" how this was determined when there is no specified ground clearence limit is beyond me. As for the 5 riders "disrespecting" the club i seriously doubt anything could be further from the truth and i also doubt the thought ever crossed their mind. I have never "disrespected" any club or official but i have since the age of 13 been serious about my motorsport and have tried to always utilise the rules to my benefit the same as all serious competitors do. The Scottish "pre65" ? and 6 day are probably the premier events on the trials calender in this country but the "pre65" has always had issues regards elegability and until some workable, enforceable and more importantly enforced blindly across the entire entry rules are created this sorry situation will continue. I have a massive amount of respect if that is the correct word for the organisers and the work they put in to organise this event but i do not believe they are above reproach on certain issues. The five riders took their penalty fair enough. The event is always oversubscribed so is immensely popular no matter what. The chances of getting into a ballot of 80 odd riders considering the ammount of entries each year is pretty remote anyway so i hardly think any more "punishment" is necessary. Many riders i know personally will never submit another entry for many reasons some because of elegability issues. Does that matter? in the big picture no not really as the event will always be oversubscribed and the organising club can and do apply rules as they see fit. However the organisers are not deities after all. Just enjoy the event for what it is as long as they are able to run it but no need to penalise people any more that exclusion for the event. If you cant live with how the club see to run it dont enter simple as that.

Seem to remember hearing that someone from Spain had bought them out. Might be wrong

Definately a "silk purse into a sows ear" with this one. Should have gone to specsavers.

Seems strangely quiet on what those infringements actually were. Thought so.

There you go again Steve throwing your money around LOL New tyre !!! you'll be changing the oil next

Would you please list the blatant abuse of the Eligability ruling that the 5 competitors you cite ? Just making sure you are fully conversant with the eligability rules they infringed and what exactly the infringements were. Looking forward to your response.

ruber glew? oar poop rewvits a berkit orn.

Oh think i prefered it when i couldnt access it

Yep both good ideas. give em a go :thumbup:

Keep trying to open the link but no sucess. Shame as it sounds interresting.

Ah been looking for a new anchour for the boat

Something else for plod to have a go at. Enjoy your road trials while you can the noose is tightening.

Good promotional video. If you'd have told me they would be doing this 3 years ago i wouldnt have believed you. Good luck to them. Nice to see Karen Micklethwaite now a film star cant wait to tell her LOL. Did have to have a wry smile at "only Pre65 bikes" and the footage that immeadiately followed but it's all been said before so what the hell who cares anymore? As i said nice promo vid and good luck to one and all

Sounds a good idea to me

The country seemed to be waterlogged of late with most of the UK subject to heavy downpours this past week so when the Clerk of the Course, Paul Beswick, came to lay out the course for Rd8 of the Peak Classic Club Championship the recent adverse weather bore heavy on his mind. Because of this he laid out a 4 lap 10 section course bearing this in mind which with Saturdays drying wind proved to be a little on the easy side but this seemed appreciated by all the riders who arrived Sunday morning to find Cookes Wood, Youlgrave Nr Matlock in the heart of the spectacular Derbyshire Peak district in a surprisingly dry state. So paramount was not to drop any unneeded dabs as even a solitary dab could mean the difference between a win and 2nd place which indeed proved to be the case in many of the classes. Making a welcome return to one of our trials was Richard Turner on his Tiger Cub who took the win in the Expert British Bike class from young Ryan Trickett also Tiger Cub mounted by just a 9 mark margin Richard losing 20 marks to Ryan’s 29. The Expert Twinshock class was very closely contested with Rob Mycock taking a masterly win on his Bultaco losing just 2 marks keeping Simon Critchley on his Majesty in 2nd place on 4marks which demoted current Championship leader Robert Carson down in 3rd on 5 marks four of which he lost on section 7 which consisted of a tortuous route over loose rocks with a short sharp climb up a bank to finish. Nice ride Rob. Gary Shaw, Fantic, took a convincing win in the Classic Expert Twinshock category having just the one dab on his way keeping Championship class leader Tony Sprinks, Bultaco, in 2nd on 8 marks with Ian Bend also Bultaco mounted snapping at his heals on 9 marks taking 3rd. Both riders losing most of their scores on that tricky section 7. Of late the Intermediate Twinshock category has been suffering from a lack of entries but this all changed on the day with 8 riders vying for honours. The eventual winner was James Ford who rode his Fantic to a win on 6. Again the Championship leaders were consolidating their Championship positions with Mark Kearsley, Yamaha, taking 2nd place with a loss of 8 just keeping Gary Shield, Bultaco, back in 3rd on 9. A close fight with section 7 again being the decider. Paul Beswick kept a tight grasp on his Championship lead by staying feet up all day on his James in the Classic Intermediate British Bike class with Jonathan Harrison out for a change on his immaculate Tiger Cub instead of his raucous Triumph twin keeping him honest in 2nd losing just a single dab. That was a close one. If you thought the Classic Intermediate British Bike category was a close fought battle it was as nothing compared to the battle taking place in the Classic Intermediate Twinshock class with Tony Shaw, Cliff Bradley and Peter Austin all tying for the win with clean sheets. A great ride by all three. Peter retains his championship lead with that excellent ride. Clubman British Bike was also a closely fought tussle with Jon Tye on his immaculate Bantam and Ray Critchlow on his Tiger Cub inseparable both riding clean all day and keeping Arthur Tomkinson on his Greeves back in 3rd place because he had a solitary dab. Well ridden all three. Sean Wickstead the current Championship leader in the Clubman Twinshock class took the class win and extended his Championship lead with a clean sheet followed home by Martyn Nelson on his TY losing 2 marks to take 2nd with local rider Tony Fray also Yamaha mounted taking a 3rd place on 4 marks. Tony has been steadily improving all year and this is his best placing to date well done. A clean sheet gave young Harry Lyons, Beta, a well deserved win in the Youth class from Shannon Butler, Gas Gas, making a welcome return to one of our events. Last but by no means least we had 3 sidecars turn out for a test run of next year’s Championship which will include a class for sidecars. It was the first time that the CoC had ever had to lay out to accommodate the chairs but the event was deemed a success and because of this a class in next year’s Championship was confirmed. Thanks must also go out to Bert White and his passenger Henry Gaunt who offered invaluable advice when setting out. Coincidentally Bert and Henry took the win but the three crews seemed to be having such an enjoyable time the scores hardly seemed to matter. As always the Peak Classic Trials Club would like to thank the landowner Andrew Cooke for the use of his land and the four observers who generously gave of their time to enable all of us to have such a great day. The next event, round 9, will be at Statham’s Farm opposite Matlock Golf Course on 28th October start time 11.00. See you there? Expert British Bike 1st Richard Turner Tiger Cub 20 marks 2nd Ryan Trickett Tiger Cub 29 marks Expert Twinshock 1st Robert Mycock Bultaco 2 marks 2nd Simon Critchley Majesty 4 marks 3rd Robert Carson Yamaha 5 marks Expert Air Cooled Mono 1st Mark Weston Gas Gas 8 marks Classic Expert British Bike 1st Peter Carson Bantam 0 marks Classic Expert Twinshock 1st Gary Shaw Fantic 1 mark 2nd Tony Sprinks Bultaco 8 marks 3rd Ian Bend Bultaco 9 marks Classic Expert Air Cooled Mono 1st Gary Martin Yamaha 9 marks Intermediate Twinshock 1st James Ford Fantic 6 marks 2nd Mark Kearsley Yamaha 8 marks 3rd Gary Shield Bultaco 9 marks Classic Intermediate British Bike 1st Paul Beswick James 0 marks 2nd Jonathan Harrison Tiger Cub 1 mark 3rd Kevin Scott Tiger Cub 5 marks Classic Intermediate Twinshock 1st Tony Shaw Bultaco 0 marks 1st Cliff Bradley Yamaha 0 marks 1st Peter Austin Montesa 0 marks Clubman British Bike 1st Jon Tye Bantam 0 marks 1st Ray Critchlow Tiger Cub 0 marks 3rd Arthur Tomkinson Greeves 1 mark Clubman Twinshock 1st Sean Wickstead Honda 0 marks 2nd Martyn Nelson Yamaha 2 marks 3rd Tony Fray Yamaha 4 marks Clubman Air Cooled Mono 1st Graham Lyons Honda 0 marks Youth 1st Harry Lyons Beta 0 marks 2nd Shannon Butler Gas Gas 17 marks Sidecars 1st Bert White/Henry Gaunt Bultaco 7 marks 2nd Chris Lingard/Karen Beach Sherco 50 marks 3rd Jon Stanley/Steven Johnson Yamaha 114 marks

All laid out and ready and waiting for tomorrow. Appears we may also be having four sidecar crews turning up so modified the route to suit. Must say i was surprised when i turned up this morning how much the wood has dried overnight. Still the forcast is for rain late on Sunday so left it on the easy side. Should be a good day. See you there.