old trials fanatic

Just machine some bar ends out of alloy but if you ride through the trees then watch out for the narrow gaps as you could come to a sudden stop

Plus if you take more than an inch off each end you will probably struggle to mount the levers properly. It's surprising how much more upper body input is required with even an inch off each each end. I assume you are new to the sport and havent ridden much yet ?

Great piccys. Thanks so much for posting. Some very interresting photos of machinery shows how things have "developed" since 1964 LOL. seriously well done almost as good as being there

Glad you all had a good time. Shame about the 6 riders excluded but we have debated the pre65 scottish technical issue over and over on here soooooo many times so i wont go there. Wouldnt it be great to have a woman winner one year? Get Sandra into training NOW ! Lets also make sure the technical regs are read thoroughly and entry forms also next year as it must be heart breaking to travel all that way at such expense only to be excluded on a possible minor infringement. Anyway thats in the past now lessons learned and a good time was had by all. I'm looking forward to the next time Davey rides at one of our Trials. Be interesting to have a chat with him again.

Great result for Davey. Also nice to see so many of my friends get a good result. Well done Javier and congratulations to all the regulars who contribute to TC. What happened to Wrighty ?

Well apart from OTL i dont know. Please enlighten me. Good friday result by Davey BTW perhaps our trials are too hard as he lost 10 at one of our trials over just 4 laps of 11 sections and i thought he had a great ride. oops!

Please please dont let any of this discussion put you off. As Nigel says it's wizened old riders having a debate. You make your own decision on which you prefer. What is important is the taking part and being on your bike. Debate is healthy! Both sides love their sport and IMHO it's healthy that we have differing opions. Either way we all respect each other even if we dont agree on everything, name me a group of bloke who do ? Trials is a wonderful sport that has given me so much and i love it dearly even though some think it want to destroy it, god knows where they get that from seeing as i put on 12 events a year on my own mostly, so dont take too much notice of the stop no stop debate it's just harmless fun really. I do sincerely want to know what you think of both disciplines though as i am constantly looking at ways to improve our trials and trials in general.

From my point of view a sensible flowing section which is beginner friendly would teach the beginner about the ability to see a line and plan a route choosing where to apply throttle and brakes would be benificial to their development as a trials rider. Most of the stop allowed faction wouldnt recognise a line if it poked them in the eye. Why should they with stop allowed you dont need to think further than the next couple of mtrs at most. Then again i am one of those believers in no stop. As i said previously both followers have their own entrenched positions. I've been riding off road since i was 12 and even now cant get my head around what the hell you are allowed to do and what you are not allowed to do with stop allowed well apart from it's nigh on impossible to score a 5. So god only knows what a beginner would learn that may be benificial to their future development as a trials rider from their first trial under stop allowed rules but it's not about me it's about someone who used to ride moto cross, a speed sport not a stop start and stop again (repeat ad infinitum) kind of thing, getting into trials. I am genuinely interrested in what they think of both sorts of trials. More so because they havent yet entrenched their opionions like the rest of us. It's impossible for us to have an unbiased view so i hope Lacey9 tells us how he found it.

Sounds like you got to bite the bullet and strip the motor. Obviously check for wear. Also check the bearing and seals are the right size. when you put it back together fit a sealed bearing along with the correct oil seal packing a little grease between the two. Wouldnt be the first time an incorrect bearing or seal has slipped through. Daft question i know but you did fit the seal the right way round didnt you?

Sometimes items are "bought" by "someone" and then mysteriously either reappear a few weeks later or get offered as a "second chance offer" to the next lowest bidder. Gamesmanship ? possibly. Illegal e bay think so. Moral is NEVER bid more on e bay than you are happy to pay for something. Didnt find the petrol tap BTW bin men must have collected it. Story of my life

One of the hottest topics on TC with the two factions firmly entrenched in their own beliefs that their way is the only true way. Best to form your own opinions once you have had chance to ride both.

Bu66er i've just thrown a perfectly good second hand one away, having a clear out, right i'm off to rummage in the bin and see if i can find it. I may be a little while

I find the wulf stuff good for the price but the riders in these parts dont want to spend ANY money even on pants iro £65 and tops iro £30 as for boots unless they are sub £90 forget it. There's one guy who still rides in ex NCB rubber wellies that must be 20 years old and loads of Elgren patched up tops and pants. Then of course theres the blue overalls boy ! I suppose at the end of the day thats why there are so few trials orientated dealers about. They all starved to death waiting for a customer to buy something

Why would you have an oil ring, assume you mean oil control ring on the piston?, on a two stroke? Agreed dump the AMC engine they are waste of space too big and useless other than as an anchour.

Simples the market just isnt there in enough qty to make it viable. The people who want the "plain and inexpensive stuff" dont want to pay a reasonable price for it plus they expect it to last 10 years. If you were a manufacturer or retailer i am sure you would agree it wouldnt make financial sense. The road race, road riders and moto cross lads dont mind paying for stuff so they get the choice of equipment. Trials riders never put their hands in their pockets unless they have tried every other alternative under the sun so they have to make do with what is available, usually more than they want to pay. Use what you got then decide what you need. If you are happy in rubber wellies ride in rubber wellies.

Sadly some in trials still think you do need all that.

Agreed cant make it to the 2 day so a piccy or three would be nice.

Good job i didnt get around to ringing Talon no prob. Thought it was strange the bike had a 11 tooth gearbox sprocket the same as the 340 but i felt it needed gearing down a bit for todays tighter sections. It's currently got a 44 rear on it which has been bodged up so i wanted to fit a good sprocket of the correct size. I will take Javiers advice and order a 41. I havent had chance to ride it yet as it still needs finishing.

I like your thinking. Only problem i might see is falling fowl of a clubs eligability criteria? Be nice to see some piccys when you have it done. Not that any bike is ever "done" there's always something new to be modded eh?

Thanks Javier and mrb505 will ring Talon later and order sprockets. Nothing like whats on me 199b then Just one other thing mine has an alloy bashplate which looks std from the factory but yours Javier has the frame rails under the motor. Does that make mine a late model or are the UK bikes different from Spanish spec?

Got to get a new rear sprocket for the Bultaco resto project. You wont believe the bodge up that Bodgit & Scarper Motorcycles have done for a rear sprocket So just wondering what is the best combo? 11 x 44, 11 x 46 or 11 x 48 oh yes it's a 520 chain. Thanks

Sorry been so long getting back. Workload issues. Anyway front wheel on a 199 mine measure 18 @ 230mm and 18 @ 240mm again measured with the wheel complete as i havent got any loose spokes around. Hope that sorts you out?

Thirty five riders arrived at Statham’s Farm, Matlock, Derbyshire last Sunday 22nd to take part in Round 3 of the Clubs Championship sponsored by PB Trialsport to be greeted by a typical British spring day. Yes you’ve guessed it it rained all day! But the inclement weather didn’t dampen the riders spirits and by and large a great days trialling was had by all. It was great to see riders supporting their club in the wet conditions. The Clerk of the Course Paul Beswick ably assisted by Tony Sprinks laid out an 11 section course ridden 4 times with the emphasis on good old fashioned throttle control and balance because over the many tree roots and rocks grip was at a premium. By common consensus the hardest section of the day was section 4 a very tortious climb over tree roots finished off by a downhill exit through the trees. Best performance here was the youngest of the Carson clan Robert riding a 200 Fantic, while his usual 200 Yamaha is in dock, for a change who really shone to loose just 1 mark. When you look at the marks lost by some of the regulars on the Expert Twinshock Route this was a stunning ride by Robert. However as I keep telling riders a trial is about the best performance on ALL the sections not just one and Robert was eventually beaten by Stephen Bisby on his faithful OSSA Gripper who incidentally lost 8 marks on the notorious section 4 but only lost 11 marks overall to take a convincing win followed closely by Mark Weston, Montesa, on 13 leaving unlucky Robert Carson to claim third place losing at total of 16. Roberts dad Peter riding his rigid BSA Bantam took the win in the Classic Expert British Bike class with a loss of only 4 marks all lost on that nasty section 4. When you consider that second place in class was taken by Michael Atmore on his Trifield losing 23 marks it really puts the superb ride by Peter into perspective. He was on fire last Sunday and rain or no rain he found grip on that rigid where much more sophisticated machinery floundered. After spending Saturday helping to lay out in the showers and hailstorms it was nice to see Tony Sprinks Bultaco back on form when he took the win in the Classic Expert Twinshock class with a loss of 31 marks ahead of Peter Kearsley, Honda, who lost 43 and Ian Bend, Bultaco, on 48. So with round 3 in the bag all interest moves to round 4 which will be at Dudwood Farm on May 20th so fingers crossed for a change in the weather and an outbreak of sunshine. The club would like to sincerely thank the two observers who withstood the inclement weather. Without observers trialling just wouldn’t be the same so we promise a warm welcome to anybody who would like to help out by picking up a board. Expert British Bike 1st Jez Bray Dot 21 marks Expert Twinshock 1st Steven Bisby OSSA 11 marks 2nd Mark Weston Montesa 13 marks 3rd Robert Carson Fantic 16 marks Classic Expert British Bike 1st Peter Carson BSA Bantam 4 marks 2nd Michael Atmore Trifield 23 marks 3rd Derek Carson BSA Bantam 29 marks Classic Expert Twinshock 1st Tony Sprinks Bultaco 31 marks 2nd Peter Kearsley Honda 43 marks 3rd Ian Bend Bultaco 48 marks Classic Expert Air Cooled Mono 1st Gary Martin Yamaha 55 marks Intermediate Twinshock 1st Gary Shield Bultaco 32 marks 2nd Mark Kearsley Yamaha 70 marks 3rd Tom Burton Fantic 102 marks Intermediate Air Cooled Mono 1st Tim Gent Honda 10 marks 2nd Nick Burton Yamaha 96 marks Classic Intermediate British Bike 1st Paul Beswick James 18 marks 2nd Rob Goodwin Francis Barnett 69 marks Classic Intermediate Twinshock 1st Mark Barrington Honda 43 marks 2nd John Morley Honda 56 marks 3rd Peter Austin Bultaco 115 marks Classic Intermediate Air Cooled Mono 1st Cliff Wall Gas Gas 48 marks Clubman British Bike 1st Jim Wickstead BSA B40 24 marks 2nd Jes Flower James 51 marks Clubman Twinshock 1st Sean Wickstead Honda 5 marks 2nd Andrew Slack Fantic 8 marks 3rd Colin Slater Bultaco 25 marks Clubman Air Cooled Mono 1st Graham Lyons Honda 15 marks 2nd Barrie Rodgers Yamaha 15 marks

Sorry i didnt measure the front i thought you wanted the rear ones. Yes the front will be two different lengths but i am busy laying out our trial for Sunday tomorrow but i will measure for you and post on Monday if thats ok?

Been there this afternoon laying out. Done about half the sections. I was surprised how little the recent rains dont seem to have affected the terrain as the ground is in great semi dry condition. Loads of fallen trees and brushwood to clear due to high winds and the recent snow storms though so i'm back there tomorrow with the saw and loppers but all in all there will be some great sections for Sunday. So looking forward to seeing as many of you as can make it so come along and support your club and please bring an observer if you can. Thanks.