alan bechard

Hmmmmmm,,,, have to go do the points per section thing to figure out but I do not remember seeing single digit scores from Anyone at TTC which I would think would be an easy trials. Got to go look now. But really, the point would still be valid, hard or easy, they are still better. Added on edit, just looking at Alexz scores, in TTC he dropped a 15 and a 34, and judging from the scores behind the 15 he was riding at top form. And on the one that Kinnell posted he dropped 22? Seems to me they would be of similar difficulty. Granted that is just looking at one rider though. Added on edit Hmmmmm but going back and thinking about it again, the UK trials had 36 attempts instead of the 30 at TTC. Sooooo,,,,, UK was .61 ad nauseum points per attempt And averaging the TTC together .8166666 points per attempt. So, for the same rider, making as fair a comparison as possible, I would have to say that TTC was tougher..... So the US guys ride tougher stuff then the UK guys and the queen wears red shoes..............

Interesting comments about the bib's / minders. One of the responses I got back on some questions I asked was that we needed to get rid of the minders etc. That trials has now become more of a business and a "team" sport, then it was in the time period this rider was competing at the top levels in. I also wanted to add in about the minders in the sections, and this seems to be as good as any place. (sorry not meant to hijack your thread Ishy) We had 5 observors on my section, and I dragged along an extra freind to help us write scores on the board and what not. It was clearly stated to us to keep the minders out of the sections, and that they should ask prior to entrance into the section and only for the sole purpose of safety spotting for their rider..... (Ya, right) Well, I can tell you, that it was somewhat overwhelming. We made it a priority to give fair and consistent calls to the rider in the section, and the keeping the minders etc. out was put on the back burner, matter of fact, I think it fell off the stove. Best I can say, is that if that is to be enforced, and next time at my section it will be done better, I want another bib that said Minder thrower out of section person. And I think I will have to bring a good size ole boy with me to back that up.... So is Trials now a "Team" sport? I think it is.

True, but the implication was there all the same. If it helps at all, these youths often beat the UK expert riders too. Compare the scores of the youths and experts here http://www.trialscentral.com/cms/files/200...s%20Results.pdf <{POST_SNAPBACK}> God Kinnel, you UK riders must Suck...................... This is just a joke by the way for all you that have not been following along on todays posts......................

Why do so many Merkins (*) think that the youths are all bankrolled by the factories? * "Merkins" copyright George Dubya Bush 2004 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well said that man! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Atom, was it not you just a bit ago saying how people should just go ahead and post? Maybe it is responses like yours that keep people from doing it? How was that Kinnel????

I may have it wrong Kinnell, but let me repharase what he said a bit. How many of the 125 class riders hold jobs and paid their own way here? I bet many of them have the same 100% Mom and Dad Factory ride that my kids have. Several of our experts are folks over 21, holding down a regular job, bankrolling their competition through their work. Not sure if that is any better. Yes, we realize that most those youth are not "factory Sponsored" but at the same time Somebody (I would bet for the vast majority, it would be mom and dad) is toting the note to get them to competition and pay for the bikes etc. That does leave the actual competitor a bit more time for practice then some of our experts.

I actually think the severity thing will level out somewhat. We just need to name the classes #1 through #6 in order of severity the same to start. The really good National level guys will still be riding the top line. The folks that are "wobblers" or just starting out should be the bottom line. Would be handy if we could identify them the same way throughout the US. Of course I find it hilarious that CA had it different from top to bottom of the state. Then again, it is probably a lot longer then several of our states here put together.

What would it take to get our classes across the US the same. Something interesting (ok, maybe I was a tad aggravated becasue it happens to be a pet peeve of mine) happened at the last trials. My son was asked what class he normally rode, and told he should ride that class, Makes sense, I will agree with that, EXCEPT, Mr. Bill was putting on the event and he operates under the "California" classes (for lack of a better term. So his classes go like this EXPERT: Black Plate. White numbers and letters MASTER; Red Plate. White numbers and letters ADVANCED: White Plate. Black numbers and letters INTERMEDIATE: Yellow Plate. Black numbers and letters SPORTSMAN: Green Plate. White numbers and letters NOVICE: Blue Plate. Yellow numbers and letters. Dean rides STRA and we go Champ Expert Advanced Sportsman Intermediate Novice Was it my responsibility to make sure he was in the right class, absolutely, I am not trying to shuck the responsibility here, or blame anyone, just hopefully using it as a point of reference to show how the problem can come up. Would adults have sorted it out where my 10 year old was a tad confused why the INT lines looked harder to him then the SP lines. Probably. My point would be though, how much work would it be for someone to give in, and see if we could have standardized names across this country? The NATC has said in the past that it is something I should tackle if it is something I want changed, that they do not delegate to clubs how they should run their affairs. While I do not totally agree with that position, particularly when the NATC rules say you must be an Advanced or better rider to compete, yet they do not say what an "advanced" rider is, and there is no standardized order to go by. Anyway, I wander, but one side point, I am sure I saw some folks come through my National section last week that were not riding Advanced or higher in their local clubs. Anyway, back to point. What would it take to get the major clubs across the US to agree on a class structure? Not trying to take it any further then saying easiest to hardest are these 6 names. (and yes, every club will have some additional classes that they have developed along the way that would be "in addition too" these 6) Thanks for your consideration.

Now that is a fact.

Man, I have read this several times trying to understand what you just said, but I think the bottom line is You just said we (as in the US) Suck at trials. Is that right? So you are either going to go away, or hang out with a bunch of folks you think Suck? Been reading that book on how to win freinds and influence enemies I guess.

Second... (In a Roberts rules of order kind of way) I must say, getting to the big events also reminds me of something I find interesting about these bulletin boards. It is amazing to me the people that come up to me and say, "I was following that discussion on the BB and I think you are XXXXX" I do not know what the numbers are, but I am positive that many more people read and watch here then actually post.

I got to say that was a good one D-man, very interesting point.

Now Ringo, you know Beave won't show up unless he is the star of the show.

Going along here, the same analogy works on local trials, and the thought that comes to my mind is, how many riders do we find acceptable to lose along the way, as we push the level up past what folks want (maybe "are comfortable") to ride? We had a debate this year in the STRA about some folks wanted more steps logs etc. while they wanted less tight, technical, through the tree's stuff. Should they be catered too, or do you just set sections to hard enough levels to make folks competitive on a national level?

http://www.shercousa.com/pdfs/ryp_wiring_installation.pdf Bagger, with this and a voltmeter you should find it.

While at the World round, I saw a couple of 125's (GG and Sherco) with vacuum driven Fuel pumps similar to what we use on our mowers. They appeared to be running a standard carb on these machines. Can someone shed some light on this for me?

Slightly obtuse, but several will get it. In restless dreams I walked alone Narrow streets of cobblestone, neath the halo of a street lamp, I turned my collar to the cold and damp When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of A neon light That split the night Well, if Craig is there, probably not On edit And actually back on the main course here.. Congrat's Cody!!!!! Excellent Job all around!

Crap, left myself open for that one................................... Now Tony will be p****d at me again.

So if you are standing in the woods by yourself, what does that mean you are doing?

And to think I put this soapbox on the stage

I thought this sold to different owners?

For some reason I call the first one a Charlie section. That would be three's from the majority, but a perfect ride was a clean I had one of those, National # 14 on Friday. Little bit of intimidation there with steps (but Dean wanted to try it so it was not that scary) An awful lot of points taken. An occasional 5, and a couple (3 I think) over the bars ugly things when things went real wrong. But I must say when Mr. Young came through very tired looking on his second loop, when many folks were just punching 5's, and did a brilliant clean ride through the section, it was inspiring to me. I would also add that I hear more complaints when I set a trial too hard then when I miss and set too easy. How many folks would complain a couple times, then just not show up for the next one?

So, reading the banter, and sitting and thinking about it, particularly the comment about 5 US pro riders. What effect would making the US pro class substantially harder have? Although really the same could be asked of any class at any level. My personal opinion is that we would have that many less riders in class, with many opting to drop down, or possibly out. Anyone else have some thoughts on this? What if we added another class (this is theoretical by the way, I am not advocating nor endorsing nor saying we should do this) on top of the Pro line in US trials that we called the "want to go to World" line. Who would ride it?

I gotta know, what will you do to get more participation in the pro class?

If I remember right Frank it was because everything got deathly quiet with both your feet on the top of the rock. Jake proved to be entertainment,,,, and even garnered a bit of attention from the Williams sisters which you know makes me smile...... One poor rider though (I think it was Mr. Fox) went to set his tool bag down on top of Jake's head though before he saw him...... does not begin to describe it!

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