alan bechard

If her back tire (actually any part of her bike or body) displaced a marker (ANY COLOR) that had to be reset, then she should have recieved a 5. I confirmed this with Tony Bussing Sporting steward when it happened on my section with an expert rider, and heard it reconfirmed again the next day. From your description, she should have recieved a 5. added on edit Are you the Same Endo on the STRA boards? Second edit http://www.fim.ch/EN/rules/Sportifs/ctr/20...RIAL_051_en.pdf 051.9.2 di Third little - down. You have to also remember that often another color gate is in effect a marker for that class because it prevents them from riding there, so in effect, it is a boundry for that class.

I think Bou got what I would call a Christmas present. What can I say but that sometimes observers miss something, were not paying attention at the critical moment or were distracted when they should not have been. The concern I have now, is that I reported something second hand, and am sure from other comments here that I recieved, and then in turn repeated a mixed story. I thought about editing or changing it, but that would make some other posts out of context. So, let me apologize for any inaccuracies in my original post. I need to go find how many yellow cards she actually recieved. I guess I was very fortunate that on the section I was on, I do not believe we came anywhere close to wondering where the yellow card was.

Which one? cell home or work? Been out of the loop the last week or so at TTC... You going to be able to make the big swing again this year? I would hate to see your gas bill driving that purple monster over here. Then again, I am looking at a 96, GMC 3500, 4X4, 454 gas Auto, king cab, long bed...... I am sure it gets great gas mileage trying to make up my mind between that and a ranger.

Holler at Ryan direct and verify the plug. We use the Maxxima MTL 75 in the bottom end of all our bikes.

Too long to quote, but None, never, nope, aint done it, and for the record have not doubted that you have a vast wealth of experience to draw from. Then again, I do not belittle, badger and badmouth the folks that are out there doing it and putting in the effort. I try and add my piece as best I can and support the folks that are doing it as best they can without trying to say I have all the answers and created everything (because I did not and do not) Maybe you should ask yourself why "nobody" want's your help. (your quote) Looking forward to seeing Team Leavittation at the top of the World podium soon.

Darn that guy is fat...

Not quite sure what you are asking here Dabster. Are you asking where are the NATC rules that say 125's are allowed to be ridden? Or are you asking why more folks do not ride 125's as it is the way to progress?

Lane, scores are not evidence that someone wants to do something, that would be evidence that they were done and successful. I saw plenty of people out there working their tails off to make trials in the US as successful as they could help to make it be. You act as though you have all the answers, and scream loudly here on this and other forums how you made everything in US trials happen etc. etc. yet where are your results in the WR that we just had? Were you there to help the US guys out? Did you help the California guys train and prepare? Did you share your wisdom with someone that bought in and made it happen? Again, I saw lots and lots of folks working hard to make it a success. Looked around, and did not see you at all. And am a little confused as to why you were not there now, seems like you have posted a couple of conflicting stories, or maybe complimentary stories as to why you were not there already today..... Were you not there and decided months ago because the Pro's rode the midline, or because Debbie had surgery, or you had to work either way, you cannot tell if people were trying off from what you read in the internet.

Good greif,,,, I guess I need to give reading lessons to you folks. Did you sneak some apple juice over there Kinnel and were tipping a bit as you typed. I SAID ONE TIME, IN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER DISCUSSION, TO SHOW ANOTHER SIDE OR POINT, THAT THERE IS MERIT IN THE PRACTICING ON WHAT YOU WANT TO BE GOOD AT, AND IF YOU WANT TO BE GOOD AT RIDING 250'S THEN THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD RIDE. No different from what you just said about riding 125's all the time.. If you go back and actually READ what I have written, TIME and AGAIN, I actually believe the 125's help develop the riders abilities. What I am adamantly against, is FORCING, or Mandating that we have CC or displacemtent classes in the National series. I believe that this will be an exclusionary action and will not be beneficial to Trials in the US. All you guys keep acting like because those guys did great on the 125's, that the corrolary is that all riders must ride the 125's to be great. Or that, if you are on a 125 you will be great and be competitive. Obviously we look at this differently, I think that those guys could have been on Mopeds and impressed the crud out of me. Because I saw him ride a moped better then I could ever hope to ride does not mean to me that we all need to run out and get Moped's for our kids because look how good those guys are riding those Mopeds. The current NATC system allows a parent and a youngster to run whatever they think is the most appropriate. They have the freedom to decide not the NATC, nor AMA nor I, nor Lane, nor anyone else. And that I agree with wholeheartedly. So go use the Search function, then copy paste where I said that a 250 was the best way forward.

Maybe you were not there to see it Lane?

It was cool and there was a pretty good contingent of us there off these boards.... heheheheeh Yup, you that were there, (and probably some that were not) know what I am thinking.... 29R, Cope mech, Andy, Atom, no Jive, what a crew! Course Atom was scared to come to the cabin in the evenings,,,, too much watching deliverance and such I guess! But, we did have a good time, and thoroughly enjoyed meeting old freinds, as well as meeting some new freinds. Looking forward to seeing the gang again soon!

Chris, I am not sure how many etc. she recieved, nor do I want to say what happened as "Fact" as I was listening to the radio traffic, not actually part of the deal. (I was on 12) My understanding of the incident on 15 Sat was that she rolled backwards noticably while trying an extremely slippery snotty hill, and the team of experienced observors there called her a 5. She was less then pleased and as I heard it (second hand) was very vocal in her argument. Then after still recieving the 5, she flat out roosted the puncher of the section, which kind of sealed the deal on the yellow card coming out. I am not aware of the other instances, or what happened. She did not question the calls we made on the section I was observing. While all of us understand that this is these folks livelyhood, and that it is a trying and emotional time, I know the group of folks that was observing / punching that section well, she recieved an honest and fair call, and was given every opportunity to accept it gracefully and move on. I am certain that the yellow card was not handed out lightly. I must say that on the whole, on my section, the observing etc. went fairly smoothly. I had one call that a rider (Young Man, 125 rider from the UK) questioned, but he did it well. I called him a 2 as he pushed, then lifted his foot, and replaced it higher and pushed again. He felt that he had not moved it, and felt he should recieve a 1. I confirmed that the other observer (Barry Florin) had seen it as I had, and we gave him a 2. I am certain that he was not pleased with that, but handled himself admirably in my opinion, stated clearly how he felt without it being "argumentitive" and accepted his score as the way it was going to be after I told him. Fortunately for us, that was the worst of the arguments on the section I was on.

No such luck.

What he means is, that if you subtract out yellow card points, her score would be better.

Hope Debbie recovers well, send her our best wishes please. You sure have a lot of input here, for not being "there" Lane. There is some part of, you have to be there participating that would lend more credibility to your comments with some of us. Hope to see you at the YN next month. So are You saying Debbie will go ahead and do the National series next year to get selected for the WR / TDN or will she just skip that part of the deal? Louise Forsley was looking great out there this past weekend. I believe that her and the Williams ladies are making all the events this year. Looking forward to seeing you guys.

Craig, you are the master of subtle. Good seeing all you guys.

Wow, that is different, and really cool. As you said though, I think Insurance is a state to state thing, so it may not be available across the board. The AMA insurance thing would be a huge hurdle to cross if it applied, but sounds like you have that one already whipped. Are most of your clubs playing by the same rules and calling the 6 lines the same thing? If that was the case all I would think you would need to do then is just talk to the selected promoters and get them to "buy in" to the idea, then find someone to sponsor the $ for trophies and awards and what not organizational costs there would be, and away you go, you could be up and running.

Ish, that would certainly simplify things greatly. Could you offline let me know who you guys are using. I know FTA hunted pretty hard a couple years back and decided to go AMA to get insurance. I was not aware of anyone still writing coverage that was affordable other then AMA.

You are a legend Mich...

I bet that would be a real challenge. Does the CMA handle the insurance as the AMA does? I cannot imagine AMA buying into providing insurance to an event having Non-AMA members participating but maybe they do? I could imagine that it would get sticky pretty quick.

I am not fully knowledgable here obviously, and it would certainly be nice if one of the key players of NATC would step in here and speak definitively, but I believe as it would not be a National series, the NATC would not be involved, just as they are not involved per se in the STRA and the direct administration of that series. I think their past actions, when coupled with their mission statement, pretty much say, that organizing and operating their National series is what they do.

You should have more riders coming in to try the "series" that would not normally make the trip.

I put forth something similar over on this side Ish a while back, a couple of us thought that you could take the premier events that were already being run, and make it into a series. My example for the east coast was to do something like the Florida Fun in the Sun, the STRA 58K, The Dixie cup or Stoney from TI and maybe the CVOTC premier event and have a series. Hopefully could add some top events from say the PN crowd and the NE crowd as well, although I was primarily looking at the SE US. It would give folks that wanted to step up a level and develop without jumping all the way to the cost and obligation of running the national series. I was not able to make anything happen too much on this front, but I think it is a wonderful idea. I do think to make it work well though, classes, relative skill levels and rules need to be the same, and that is a hurdle that seems tough to get across. If we could agree on classes and rules, this type series would be fairly easy to organize and promote I would think. We are pretty close over here in the SE to being there with a couple of variations in things.

You can make up your own set of block off ports, find an ultra low pressure gauge, use something like a hand bicycle pump, or a blood pressure cuff pump to pump up the pressure (I think it is like 1.5 lbs but not positive) and check the seal that way, For me, I would just change the seal's and gaskets out, or have the pressure test done by the someone that does them regularly and has the kit all together to check them. I have a fair amount of shop stuff and would still take me a bit to assmeble the pieces and get it working. Before I did anything like that though, I would again (I know you said you did it already) go back through all the basics and make sure I had not missed anything. Pull Carb, clean carb, check fuel flow, check jets, check #s, check air filter, carb seated well, carb sealed well, reed cage good, reed boot look ok, clean new fuel, clean tank, fuel filter in tank and carb, new spark plug, check wiring / cap, fresh oil change, AF up to speed, just over the fins, timing correct, flywheel seated right, etc. etc. I would spend an hour or two just going back over details to make sure I had not missed anything. I would probably also get someone else to watch over my shoulder with me to make sure I had that second set of eyes on it. If all that fails, and you want to check the seals, I would take it by a shop that does it regularly (sometimes Chainsaw shops do it more regularly then MC shops) and see what it would cost to have them do it.

Do you want to check compression or crankcase seals? Have you thought along the lines of having someone else look at the bike as well? Sometimes a second set of experienced eyes can save you a lot of hassle.