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Thanks Barfy. Don't know why I didn't look there as I have ordered from both of them previously. Most importantly you directed me to the unobtainium PARTS FICHE! Good show Old boy!

Does anyone know what bike shares the rear brake cam? Or can you provide the part number for the TLR cam. Cheers

The brake panel was first introduced on the TL125 based on the p/n 45010-355-670 '355' being the Honda product code for the TL125. According to the US parts fiche the panel is not used on anything else. The '74 SL125 panel will likely fit but the brake cable comes in from the rear of the hub and the brake arm is down. The speedo guts will likely fit. The MTX is a leading axle fork where the TL125 is not, so the fork lock pocket is at a different position. It will likely fit but your cable will not align correctly. There are several TL125 front brake panels currently on ebay in the US.

I am a prototype machinist and use CNC machines almost exclusively. Kudos to you for making all of these parts on manual equipment. You Sir are a Master Craftsman.

As a machinist and metal worker I must say beautiful work! As a preservationist I have to ask will there be any markings on these to distinguish them as reproductions? Again beautiful work and a great service to those with RTL's.

The threaded end of a spoke is the correct thread size for this. I believe I saw this technique in a Honda manual or I read about it here in a different thread.

I saw the $127 ones too. Partzilla and Babbitt's have very good prices and on line parts fiche that let you know if the part is obsolete. Is the kick start in the photo from the XR200? It looks like the bend around the case is right but it also looks like there is no stop on the shaft clamp or does the photo angle hide it?

wfo, TLR200 kick start levers are still available from Honda via Babbitt's and Partzilla for $82. I bought one a year ago for my TLR250. I also see them on ebay fairly often. Make sure you don't get a new copy off ebay, they are junk.

TLTEL, When you say 'much smaller' do you mean the diameter of the brake shoes when installed on the backing plate? How much smaller? Maybe the difference is the lining thickness. Do you know the hub ID on your 200? I have not been able to find a significant measurable difference of more than .010" (.254 mm) between the 250 shoes and my TL125 shoes. The hub ID is the same on both bikes. Thanks

Does anyone know the difference between the TLR200 and TLR250 brake shoes? A reputable dealer in the UK lists them as different parts. I ordered a set last year and cannot find a difference between the TLR250 shoes and the shoes for my TL125, both are a hub with a max diameter of 111mm. Thanks

I have a repro carb on my TLR250. It's of decent quality but I put OEM parts in it, particularly the needle which appears to be aluminum in the repro. The jets and inlet valve are interchangeable. You should be able to install the repro and have a much better running bike.

Jools, I have two 'S' carbs and four 'K' carbs from the US market and all have 20 cast in the cap. I have a NOS needle in an unopened package part number xxxxx-355-xxx (sorry I didn't write down the number) and a Keyster TL125/S carb rebuild kit. All of my needles measure 43mm. The TL125/S was the only street legal TL125 sold in the US and has the two piece head vs. the one piece head of the K model. I guess it's possible the England market bikes had a larger carb. I realize this still does not solve the mystery but I suggest that you should be using the 43mm needle. Look for a carb kit labeled TL125/S. I got my Keyster kit from Sirius Consolidated. edit: Gave you the link to the S carb in the unedited post, now have both links. They appear to be the same kit with the exception of the jets. Main: K=95, S=92 Slow: K=38, S=35 (K carb) http://www.siriusconinc.com/pro-detail.php?pid=&product_id=464 (S carb) http://www.siriusconinc.com/pro-detail.php?pid=&product_id=463

I have both carbs and will measure the needle lengths. I presume you are measuring the overall length? The 22mm carb was listed as fitting SL,XL,CL,CB,TL 125's. I think it was a case where the seller assumed all of the 125's use the same carb. I've seen numerous parts listed that way on ebay. NOS, used and aftermarket parts listed as fitting all models of a specific size. Buyer know your stuff. edit)I didn't understand Honda's part numbering system at the time and the importance of the three digit product code. Back to you in a few days...

To the best of my knowledge and my experience with the TL125's I have owned and worked on the US market 'K' bikes have a 20 mm carb. The US 76 'S' model also has a 20 mm carb but it is a more robust body, i.e. the casting is thicker and reinforced to reduce the barrel from collapsing when tightening the flange mount. Visually the two carbs are easy to tell apart , the 'K' carbs have a spring clip on the float bowl and on the 'S' carb the float bowl is screwed on. I have been using an 'S' carb on my 'K' bike for a number of years now and combined with the carb insulator I make with an o-ring on the head side I seem to have eliminated the air leak and sticking throttle issue common on the 'K' bikes. Before I got the 'S' carb I ordered a 22mm carb listed as fitting the TL125, physically it was too large to fit the bike. I hope this is helpful rather than prolonging the mystery!

You may want to contact Mike Waller at Britannia Motorcycles in Richford, NY near Ithaca. http://www.britanniamotorcycles.com/ He is the closest I'm aware of to you but he will probably know what's going on in the NE. Google Maps shows approximately 4-1/2 hours from your area. I have ridden a two day event at his place and the sections were very good for vintage bikes. Regarding the TLR200 Reflex being referred to as an enduro bike here is the story I was told by a Honda shop owner in Pennsylvania, at least this is what I remember and I can not find the story which was posted on their website. This Honda dealer was a Trials rider in the 70's and 80's, possibly longer and rode an RS250, the predecessor to the TLR's. He was at some function with Honda employees from Japan. In conversation the dealer mentioned that the US market could use a bike like the RS250. Apparently the Honda employee he had engaged in conversation was fairly high up in the company and within a relatively short time, a year or so I believe, the TLR200 Reflex was introduced. The TLR200 Reflex differs from the TLR200 available in the UK in several ways but not limited to the following, steel rims vs. aluminum, smaller diameter forks, taller top gears for the road and the California emissions package that chokes the motor. I feel that Honda marketed the Reflex as an enduro bike rather than a Trials bike due to the poor sales of the TL models in the mid 70's. Trials is a niche market here and I think Honda marketed the bike towards the larger trail riding community. Having ridden a road legal Reflex I think Honda blew it by leaving the Trials seat on it. The seat forces you down to the tank and with the pegs located for Trials one feels like a jockey on a horse. I think had Honda put an enduro style seat on the bike it may have sold better in the enduro market. If you sit way back on the seat the bike is comfortable to ride seated. The changes made for the enduro market had an adverse effect on the bikes performance as a Trials bike therefore the bike did not perform well in either market. I know of about 8 or so Reflexes that have been converted into very competitive Trials bikes with mods from simply jetting and exhaust to complete overhauls with aluminum rims, different forks etc. That is my opinion of the Reflex and am sure others have differing opinions which I would like to hear. If my recollection of the Reflex story can be corroborated or corrected I am interested in that as well. For me the 'Reflex' issue really comes down to the fact that I prefer the power delivery of a 4 stroke and I prefer riding vintage Trials over Modern Trials. I would have a tricked out Reflex but I was fortunate to find a TLR250. Enjoy yourself and the bike.