Skiers in the states tried to get the snowboard banned when was first invented. It appears more popular with younger people than skis. Snowboard parks are now common in ski resorts and are far removed from the original concept of who could ski down a hill the quickest.
But they don't compete against each other in competition, do they ?
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Football and F1 continually change their rules. I would argue the original concept of reliability trials was just to see if the bike got round the course. Sections as we know them were not the original concept.
Football - never heard of her !
F1 - classic example of changing the rules and ruining the sport.
Were there not "special tests" from the beginning ? Blackford Hill on ssdt Saturday had the stop and restart "section" in the 70's.
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No minority group insists on playing with a 1960s ball or boots.
Don't think anyone argues against modern shocks or tyres, do they ?
Nobody turns up at an F1 track in a 1980 ferrari and then asks for the rules to be reversed back to how they were when the car was competitive.
Goodwood for Ferrari etc, that I would attend.
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As a minority sport setting off in different directions has been a mistake. The original concept of pre 65 being cheaper is long gone and people now invest modern bike sums in bikes made by factories that no longer exist.
That ship has long sailed.
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Our splinter groups need to reform back into a single group with an acceptance of others under a ser of rules that can be reliably observed with sections to suit. So not no stop with turns you can't get round for example.
This would be similar to "reforming" all sports using a ball into a single group ?
We know who likes modern bikes and long distance trials
We know who likes stop permitted.
Because we are all guilty of re stating the same beliefs over and over again. Its been going on within these forums for years and we are no further forward.
Given the choice would you rather trials ceased as a sport than accept a set of rules which are not your preference?
I only ask as while we continue to debate, with conviction that we are correct, the average age of a trials rider in the UK increases year by year. When the average age of the rider is 60 who is going to observe, who is going to set out events.
Ok some dont like btc / wtc I get that and in terms of section quality I tend to agree the world rounds could be better. But we need to change our sport into something that appeals to more young people or it dies with us.
Skate parks are full of kids on scooters, bmx bikes skate boards etc doing tricks. Imagine walking up to them and pointing out a momentary stop....People have changed, young people are not attracted to strict application of rules. Something like the points system at Cahors may appeal to them ? A different branch of the sport but if they bought bikes and kit that would be a success.
Move on from the petty squabbling, its not getting "us" as in trials anywhere.
Not sure if change is the solution, or the problem ? Name another sport that has completely contradicted its original concept to appease the minority ?
Plenty of info on here on how to take the "edge" off if it's a bit lively. Slow action throttle and dropping the gearing being the easiest/ cheapest. Check if this has been done already.
Those Spaniards don't like mud and they don't like cold.
Apart from Carlos Casas and many others in the ssdt, and Javier Cruz, Javier Gil, Carlos Bosch and at least another ten in the pre 65 and highland 2 day ....?
Cabestany made the point that a 2 second pause is a clean in one section but can be a five in the next. Very frustrating if its your living on the line.
Trials needs to sort itself out, we've been going round the rules loop for years and are no further forward.
Irrespective of intentions, observers making up rules is the route of the problem.
It would be fantastic for the ssdt, and Bou. I very rarely watch his trick riding with the super enthusiastic " entourage " but would love to see him perform in a more authentic trial.
If Bou rode the six day and won it everyone would say it was him not the Montesa so hardly a good investment. More likely that the importers would stump up a few quid to see a top name or two.
Alternatively, if Bou rode the ssdt and didn't win .....
My question was a request to be enlightened on the advantages (if any) of changing the front brake lever from rear facing to front facing.
Your response suggested it worked better on SWM as it improved the cable run. I don't think this is relevant for the Fantic 200 as the cable run is already good.
The other response talked about the effect of actuating the brake based on the direction of wheel rotation. The brakes are conventional drum with one leading and one trailing shoe, so the wheel rotation will not have any impact.
By comparison a twin leading shoe brake is designed only for the wheel rotating in one direction, but this is not what the Fantic has.
The only advantage I have identified to moving the arm to face forward is to overcome a worn brake cam. Changing the direction of cam rotation will use a different face on the cam.
If the drum is true and the linings are good (soft for trials) then the next steps to improve brakes are a longer brake arm, or changing handlebars levers to ones with a different fulcrum distance.
Regards,
Peter.
Fantic 200 / swm, maybe I misunderstood, do they not share marzocci forks and yokes, grimica hubs and brake plates ? Not relevant ?
This information is really useful to riders new to trials such as myself.Presumably any tools and spares that are carried to in a well padded bum bag ?.
Does anyone carry a spare clutch lever or is that a bit OTT ?
Many riders that carry rucksacks/bum bags, leave them at the end of the section, at least on the first lap.
Nothing wrong with carrying a clutch lever, particularly on longer laps. In a trial like the pre65 many carry a front tube (it can be used in either wheel, if tube type) plus plastic pump. Levers ect can be zip tied to the bike to keep the weight on the bike.
ATF works well in primary case, can't remember the quantity but its not much. @timdog I found putting a bit of slack in the clutch cable before first starting when its been sitting makes a huge difference.
Gasgas pro250 little end fitting.
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What he said, when the piston is in the bore it may not move, check that first.