Welcome to the WONDERFUL WEIRD WORLD OF TRIALS!!!! yes you should have done it sooner, but now that you have you will certainly enjoy yourself. One of the best kept secrets of trials is how much of a full body workout it is. One would think I would be thinner though................. must be the afterwards......
I would bet the water pump seal got hot when the motor overheated and was dry with the shaft spinning in it and that caused the failure. It would be like a secondary failure attributed to the original failure of the hole in the radiator. Same reason the piston got hot, seized and needed to be replaced.
I think the water pump O-ring they replaced is for the water pump cover sealing to the case and has no affect to the water pump shaft seal which would leak into the gear box. Check out pages 64 and 65 of this manual parts numbered 3 and 4 in the exploded view on page 64
I just recently purchased a 2003 Gas Gas 300 and am trying to get familiar with the motors and where to get info. So far I am very pleased with my choice to switch from Sherco to Gas Gas.
I did see that in the other forum I was hoping it was a rare occurrence. I know Sherco had frame troubles at one time, I know a gent that had to get one replaced. And Gas Gas had swing arm problems, saw video of rider doing a drop off and on landing the swing arm snapped into two pieces. But my point was Generally post 2000 bikes handle these things better and have better suspension etc.... but I also mentioned "Also you probably already know that the harder you ride a bike, the more stuff you will need to fix later."
TY 175's are great bikes and great fun. When I was a youngster I would jump the bike off the top of a hill and land about halfway down. (hill looked huge to me at that age) older brother would land at the bottom. so the landing was angled on the hill, I assume not as much stress as landing flat. We never cracked swing arms that I know of. Dad did the maintenance. I did bust a foot peg mount on the TY80 I had before the TY175.
But you must bear in mind like the other guys have said, The twinshock bikes were not designed for the more "extreme" steps and ledges that the post 2000 bikes will do with ease. Also you probably already know that the harder you ride a bike, the more stuff you will need to fix later.
The motor is about bulletproof, and they are a good handling bike. Check out the twinshock and video forums on here or search Youtube and see some videos of others riding twinshocks and you should get an idea of what those bikes can handle. (one tip to remember if you watch "world round" twinshock vids, those guys were/are very very good riders) You may be able to find a post 2000 water cooled mono in decent shape for close to the same $ as that TY175. I don't know about prices and availability in your area.
I also think scmbud being new to trials was asking a legitimate question of technique " Will she be cool if I huck it off or should I go slow and drop the nose down before letting the ass follow?" I think hucking it off the step would put great stress on the suspension and swing arm like the previous guys have stated. Depending on the ledge/step letting the front tire drop down first may have you going over the bars if the front wheel "tucks" under. So if you go the route of dropping the front tire first keep your butt as far back on the rear fender as possible, so your weight does not carry you over the handle bars when the front tire hits the ground.
As for my comment on spelling, it was made partly for humor (suck them in with kindness and then get them on grammar. I have an odd sense of humor) and partly because I was able to decipher it pretty quickly, I also have seen posts from other countries that I had to read 3 times or more to understand because it read like it was sent through google translate to get it into English. I agree that text speak is banned from TC, but there is the occasional "fat finger" typing that gives bad spelling.
the 2000 sherco I had the non vented disc and the front caliper was a 2 piston type, it had horrible stopping, so I bled the brakes multiple times, changed pads, new brake line, rebuild master cylinder and clean disc with super super fine wet sand paper (2000 grit?) then blast hell out of it with brake cleaner. When I finally rebuilt the caliper (new seals/pucks) Front brake was great.
On a side note because the disc was non vented I cut an angled groove in the brake pads, using a dremel tool and 2 cutting discs installed to make it the right width and get a sharp edge on the pad. My reasoning was this groove would give someplace for water, dirt, gasses, and whatever someplace to go instead of between the pad and the disc. I have no proof whether it did what I thought or not. but it didn't hurt either.
Well then I want to switch to indoor trials.............. only for the winter months because I hate the cold. Ya know winter and trials shorts just make for blue legs.
OH give the new guy a break on the spelling. We need more people to get into the sport, don't chase them away. Besides there is always time to give em a razzing later after he thinks we are all nice people.
Obligatory name dropping time......... I know and have ridden with Aaron and Yuki both have been members of MOTA. Yuki moved for work/school and I don't know if he still rides. Aaron has been working on his house and it is looking AWESOME, I hope he returns for the 2013 season.
I saw Chase at the combined TI / MOTA event in Indiana, He has grown a bit since that video and has improved his riding even more.
Sadly I have not met Ryan, he really seems like a fun and down to earth guy to hang out with.
(whole purpose of this post.............I got to post and be part of the conversation. I was like a politician said many words, but did not really say anything)
Well....I too like the "stock bike" approach. But I do not understand the stop/no-stop debate.....to keep from p***ing one group off...why not mix it up? Have a mix of stop allowed/non-stop sections at each event....fans could gravitate towards their likes....and riders could always be afforded a few of their preferred sections. Compromise.
OOOHH imagine the drama when the top riders can't remember which sections are stop and which are no stop. And the minder(s) tell them the wrong one!!! That could be a joy to watch.
Amos Bilbao has suggested that riders not be allowed to argue with observers, period. I think this is a great idea.
This thread was intended to fire people up about the upcoming World Round at TTC.
A long time ago....... As a young lad I was lucky enough to spend a summer working at Sandiford's. I spent my time along side the great Bill Brandwood who taught me so much. I recall that the was a Brittish Round of the MX GP 250 coming up nearby and we all made plans to go. As the GP grew near ol' Bill began a countdown every day he would remind us that were we going to see the greats of MX ride in anger. He'd say "just 2 weeks, boy until f#cking Grand Prix" !! He was so stoked and it spread to the rest of so much so that buy the time we got to the day of the GP were we all going nuts. We spent the day leaned over the ropes cheering on the greats of MX . The late great Jim Pomeroy raced that day. He crashed early on, came around in dead last with no visor or goggles and worked his way back to to fourth. My memory has never been great but that day stands out.
Why tell you all this story.? Because all this talk of rules changes has got us here in the US missing the point. It's been 5 years since most of us have seen Toni Bou and Co ride. Seeing him ride on You Tube is not good enough. I want the real thing.
The idea of No Stop has trials riders talking about the state of the sport and that is a good thing. But its a bit like politics or religion. It has the potential to become polarizing. This post is intended to get people fired up about going to TTC and remember it's just 6 months to the US World Round!
I like the suggestion of no arguing with the Observers. best way to keep observers. (note to observers please be fair and consistent that is all I ask...... that and accept my bribes for cleans)
Good point about being able to see the best riders in the world come to our country!!!
Don't ya hate when your buddies film you riding and only post the "blooper reel" and not the awesome 12 foot splatter that you made on the first try? yep Me too.
Loved the Music, Loved the smiles. He is having fun!!!
The big problem is we don't discuss anything here this is a big topic and it just goes ignored by most. Is there a new forum i am not aware of this is being discussed or has everybody lost their passion for trials?
I know what Zipper is referring to as far as the top friction plate. It seems they come that way. I can see this being a potential issue as the plates wear, yet I cannot think of any other reason to do it other than in an effort to help prevent chutch chattering when fully revving out the bike in gear with clutch pulled. Not uncommon!
And here I thought it was just installed incorrectly....apparently the plates had worn enough to cause a problem, slipping went away after putting the plate in the other groove. and it shifted the same as before.
All of you are riding just fine and I enjoyed the video quite a bit, had a good chuckle when the camera got sprayed with mud and when the young gentlemen laid his bike over just so nicely and stood there looking like "well, that's a good spot" Looks like a good group of friends having a fun day out on the bikes. As you get older and ride more that part does not change. Keep riding boys and keep having fun.
I had an issue with my 2000 2.9 clutch slipping in 4th and 5th gears. Turns out the top fiber plate was installed one set of grooves off. There is a set of grooves in the basket that goes all the way to the bottom and then there is basically a notch between the grooves that does NOT go all the way down. my top plate was in that notch so the top plate was not being fully pressed against the rest of the plates.
Also had the 2 piston front brake and it worked like crap I changed pads, brake line, bled it a million times. but when I did a rebuild of the caliper it worked AWESOME after that, replaced seals and pistons and was just like new.
When kickstarting take up the initial little bit of slack (kicker won't move much) and you should feel the kicker engage and then it is just a strong smooth kick and it should go.
The surprising thing to me is that people think the rules we have now are OK. No , I'm sorry but they are the worst rules ever. Today you can stop with a foot down and get a only a one. This is not trials. It violates the basic principals of the sport.
Please bear with me. I'll explain.
Trials has at its core 2 basic elements..... "Balance and Motion" When you stop w/foot down you have failed at both elements of the sport. You are no longer demonstrating any type of skill whatsovever. It's a failure 5 points. As a matter of fact you have become so useless that the bike can perform this without you aboard. This is what I call the "Human Kickstand" or in the UK ......propstand or what ever you lot call it.
You have ceased to be an athlete and sportsman...Yet no one is scored a failure. You can perform this absurdity for 89 seconds and still be on a one and for the majority of riders this is accepted.
I agree that stop with foot down you are now a kickstand and have failed = 5.
But I personally believe trials is about "CONTROL" not balance or motion exactly. stop feet up = control stop foot down = no control.
But I disagree that we should go to no - stop because we have lost something along the way. I personally feel that modern trials riding is a mix of styles both stop and hop and no stop. both styles have their roots in control of the machine.
So far I have seen 2 videos of supposed no stop riding Caby and Bou. Both riders stopped. difference for bou is the first time through he hopped on rear wheel and second time through he stopped with both tires on the rock.
running no stop now eliminates the use of tight 90 degree turns and immediate obstacle after that. In my opinion sections will now need to be "opened up" in order to allow a more fluid flow to the section making no - stop possible and basically turning it into an extreme enduro course.
Personally I don't think either set of rules will bring in more spectators. Main reason I think we don't have spectators is because as a spectator you cannot just look and instantly see who is winning. Other forms of racing whoever ahead of the others is winning. With trials you have to wait until the scores are counted. (yes I know about golf - scores are constantly posted and most ppl watch on the telly, Freestyle MOTO-X is a big show anyways) Trials will always be a small niche sport populated with some of the nicest, most talented and wierdest riders out there.
Just my opinions from a guy that rode TY's as a kid in the early 80's and now tries to stop and hop and other times ride a flowing line.
afterwards......
That could be a joy to watch.
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