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ROFLOL !!!

yup we brought a huge batch for our enduros (and stamping mx passes) off Gordon Davis (but we use old fashioned boards still for trials )

its great fun but they are

its so wrong but the sound of two stroke is sorley missed and the early 90's / late 80s graphics kits on the old bikes is truely old skool!

absolute legend!

Mick Wren - First of i don't believe you are and if you all cross reference my 1000+ word reply to the other thread you'll see my critique (and compliments) of TMX as we all say we're all 80 to 90% "happy" with minor tweaks that need thrashing out a) to me why the TEC is a far off committee when my giant centre (in both trials and enduro terms) has no one on it (I

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OK here goes JD P3 and TMX (article here till thursday ?) a) yes I thought there is only one place I

i get it know - brstol phoneix, rather than phoneix az or the youth mx club in the north west

AMEN to that !!! i didn't go because we are a busy (circa 25+ events per year) and we do things besides trials (MX & Enduro). while i have several points of contention with the TEC I'll only list two below 1) election - we all know the process is deeply floored. first and foremost in our end of the world the trials spectrum is separate form the enduro as it is from MX or Grass Track, thus why should we have a committee that trys to cover both? especially when trials is in every centre and enduro is in many. thus for elections - when two well known men are up for ***re-election*** - ACU election only see real change when someone stands down as any lame duck will be re-elected because they are "known". i don't see how any new well qualified candidate can stand and canvas all 20+ centres to secure election (I'm speaking in the theoretical sense here, rather than about any individual). more specifically why is there no one from one of the most active centres (my one) on the TEC ??? - we run actively in both fields (possible the largest centre) yet we have no say in decision making (an issue is about to arise re enduros and ages). 2) observation rules. i appreciate why we need the simplicity of only two type of observing rules but fundamentally in the longer term i believe this position is untenable. if people want to run a trial where riders can bunny hop, why not? my club took much umbrage (they are a bunch of obstinate MX'ers who don't know very much about the kind of trials talked about here) when your recent memo stating that we must use A or B only. in our LDTs (and other clubs) a variety of ideas have been used that aren't TSR 22 A or B - the world didn't fall down and i don't know what the fuss is about. fundamentally we (the ACU) are here to facilitate motorcycle sport (ie bums on seats) not to hinder it - people will just say f*** that and go run AMCA/ORPA and we'll be in a worse position than we are in know just two abstract points , the proposed agenda doesn't really interest me as its not my end of trials and as above i was otherwise preoccupied. i do accept your very valid slagging off of the two gents who made wild unsupported statements (i do believe i countered one of them at length!)

this is where rappers is asking the right question - IMHO as a complete wobbler (well crap novice anyway) i do tend to go by the simple rules outline above by neonsurge for the "conscript" observer. however when we're dealing with riders on the expert route who should know better then its time to haul out a tougher interpretation of what a "stop" is (when ceasing forward motion is a real cessation) the whole concept of A or B is so dependant upon the bike (pre 65 or modern) and the route marking - if you've got giant vertical leaps (which riders want to do!) then the riders got to in effect cease forward motion (a one or five) to ascend it. this is trials as a test of skill on one level - on the other if trials is going back to it routes, in a more enduro style, then non stop is more important. its all IMHO matter of fundamental philosophical choice about what the nature of trials is and one answer (A, B or WTC, etc) will never keep everyone happy

is it me or where a lot of south easterneners riding for other centre (is soutehrn and eastern) ???

since the introduction of full face helmets in MX/enduro a long time ago no makes them/markets them (that i know of), although a browse around some of the twinshock/classic mx scene sites (escpecailly america) might produce a result

i read Rappers bit in TMX and in my humble opinion ( ) Rappers has missed the main point in the TSR 22 A vs TSR 22 B debate - although his example is valid and I'll get to it first of all why do we (as a sport) need to be so dictatorial that we need to tell organisers (again volunteers doing it for fun) what marking system they should use (IMHO lets have more systems, if you want WTC then go ahead, I've seen LDTs have graded hills with more than five gates, etc, etc) specifically the point IMHO that rappers misses is that under 22 A or 22 B the observer is still penalising a stop. what rappers points out is that observers aren't penalising stops !!! - under A or B they should be. now backwards movement is a five under either set of rules. IMHO there is a place for both non stop ( and stop with penalties (A) - perhaps A should be changed to allow more "bunny hopping" (we had this debate - writ large - some months ago) the other way to look at the problem is that if we were to follow rapper's lead and implement 22 B everywhere how many organisers would say "f*** that" and go off and run the same event with the same riders under an AMCA or ORPA - we would back a square 1 with a divided and confused trials community but be in a worse position to co-operate to face the external threat the sport faces (eg ramblers, etc). where Rappers is right (again ) is that all of this is dependant upon how the course is set out, how the riders ride it and how the observers choose to observe it. in my experience not everyone is fully conversant in the intricacies of this debate (ie the difference is a 1 or 5 for a stop, not being aloud a stop for free or being aloud to go backward or sidewards) and thus the confusion perpetuates (and how do you tell volunteer observers they are observing wrong?)

yeah but were quoting here for litlle 1 lire cars - th emoent you get to even something like a 1.4 you gett ing to 2K!!!

nationally i think the ACU do very little, normally the local centre can offer much more specialist assistance. there is also LARA, which is ACU funded between all off road governing bodies there is very little the ACU can do realistically - its a governing body of a few volunteers, its better suited for fighting Whitehall, clubs and centres are better placed for lobbying local government (who control planning) - local government does have a planning guidance note (PG7 IIRC ???) to include motorsport provision in the countryside, but its up to us to push it with our local council as for noise (ie the 4RT), then the clubs in conjunction with their centres should be noise testing to see if the bikes are compliant with our own noise regulation - are you ??? each centre has access to the course, are the centres/clubs putting forward officials to get training in how to use the sound meters (and buying them???) - my club has two sound meters, several sound officials and so does our centre - why aren't you? If the problem is 4RT's without baffles keep testing them till the riders won't ride them without them

have a butchers at http://www.trialsinfo.com/ - some og the photo links don't work but the results are working (full break downs)

endsleigh have alway been cracking (tescos a few punds dearer) - IMHO you need to get a 1 litre banger worth nout but scrap, go 3rd aprty and expect to pay a grand. the no claims over the years will make it worth it.

I like the sound of that !!! shame i missed it (running a mx )

my mum uses outlook for eamils and has siumilar problems with im,ages (and other large files) - everthing i read says its some conflict (OE) with the virus scanner and / or firewall. i've even turned both off but to little apparemt effect (whe is also on wirless). in contrast hotmail and a wired broadand contection work like a dream (with firewall and virus checker)

you've made a decision, that a bloody hard thing to do and very easy for the armchairs fans to criticise. the multitude of factors that cause that design to be made can never really be conveyed in text and will always be subject to debate. at least you are in communication unlike the MX community who according to TMX neglected to tell the 4th man the had been dropped (what a ***** up!) anyway whoever you take good luck, and congratulations for taking a decision and calming the responsibility (and the flack!!!)

as a more serious reply - TV - the idea about "grunge" and "extreme sports" is probably right, we in MX have in one way a great trouble in harnessing this new marketing force when it directly applies to us because we are still all in a motorsport mindset (as opposed to "extreme"). may i offer a parallel - US SX - SX has been about for other 30 years and now its a dialled in product that fills 70,000 seater stadiums, has a fixed season an array of sponsors (esp energy drinks) and a dedicated large commercial promoter (firmly known as clear channel - the owner of almost all US stadiums and half the radio stations). in contrast to the US MX (the outdoors) the crowds are at SX, the outdoors is in the sticks and is for the hardcore fans (10,000 to 20,000 crowds). SX goes to the cities, in the winter (when nothings on - its mostly baseball stadiums) and is finally breaking into the mainstream thanks to the extreme sports bandwagon. what I'm saying is indoor trials could go down this road, leaving the outdoors (WTC & BTC) as the "real" thing and for the hardened (real) trials fan. we all know your never goign to get a massive paying crowd in real trials coutnry (ie the SSDT) - no one lives in the highlands. on the other hand you can make a killing if you can fill wembly with a trial - of course indoors is a farce and a show but it makes the money that enables the real thing to take place........

my old man (centre chairman for his sins and a sidecar driver) is the sidecar starter - silly fool had also signed up to Cof C our MX the same day (where the rest of the Sidcup crew will be ...... - had two riders withdraw from our mx becasue they had been called up by their various centres ) hope you all have fun - might even pop down for the arena trial saturday night

ROFLOL !!!

as HL says its work roundable but anoying a quick look in forefox shows it doesn't ahve the same issue thanks for all your hard work andy