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after a google search there is semi offical site here
the guy also hosts semi offcial sites for Basingstoke (here) and NHMC
rabie
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from a statistical point of view it appears
a) you've got the 2nd question wrong in the eyes of several respondents ....
Q1's choice are wrong / false, as very few people work for the FIM or ACU (betetter put prehaps as FMN or even just governing body), do you mean volunteers working for the FMN on various committees???
these statical exercise require very careful thought about the questions and to whom you are asking (are the response from TC balanced, representative, etc)and what answers you expect to get?
i think you also need to distinguish between what levels of riding your are trying to illicit form the respondees, specifically about level of riding; club, group, centre, regional, national, european, international and more importantly IMHO for what kind of trials, sidecar, pre65, novice, advanced (expert, inter, etc)
rabie
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a question my mother has about this issue, when the bike is stuck on an obstacle by the sump guard (etc) and then gets going again has the bike stopped (and thus a penalty) or have they stopped and dabbed or something else ???
rabie
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as an idea, here is my bad photos form the top of the hill
rabie
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Results, Photos and Reports on MX247 - http://www.mx247.com/home/results/motocros...kstoneintl.html
Reports and Photos on MXLarge - http://www.mxlarge.com/
Full event results - http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=117706
pleanty of discussion, photos, etc on the main MX message board (MXTrax / adenalintrip) - mxtrax.co.uk (and go forums)
i went and it was excellent - biggest crowd I've seen there, at a guess 10,000 paying meaning a TMX number of 30,000. last race was the best, billy mac holding on for so long, only getting passed by stribors on the hill and then stribors holding off Everts to win by a whisker.
tortelli wasn't trying at all (its a pres season international) and Smets wasn't great but still a legend!.
rabie
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A brief guide, think its right (if i've missed any out i'ld like to know)
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South Eastern Centre ACU
Kent, Sussex, Surrey and London south of the river
Centre page on ACU website
Trials Info (local trials news)
North Kent Trials Combine - website
Bexleyheath website Double Five website Erith Gravesend Eagles Kent & Sussex Kent Youth website 96 Trials Owls website Sidcup website Wickham East Kent Trials Combine
Folkstone website Ashford Barham GEST Trials website Tenterden website Sittingbourne Star Group
Cryodon website Dorking Horsham Haslemere website Kingston website Reigate, Redhill & North Downs website Southern Sporting website Sunbeam website TALMAG Thames website Tongham Tigers website Windlesham Thames Valley Trials Combine - website
Crowthorne website Leatherhead website Normandy website Surrey Schoolboy website Witley website South Coast Group (AMCA / ACU) - website
Bognor Brighton website Carshalton website Crawley Eastbourne website Horhsam Riders website Southern Trials Worthing website
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as R2W says, look around a local trial at the six manufactures and the various engine sizes
check out the classifieds in TMX and the local trials shops (inta, stevens, freestyle, jam sport, moto merlin, etc)
got a club in mind?
rabie
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ACU is I'm told doing a 4-5 day turn around don't know how the SACU are doing though?
rabie
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check out the east midland centre website - http://www.motorcyclesport.org.uk/ for leicstershire
check out the wessex centre page - http://www.acu.org.uk/directory/centre.aspx?id=17 for Britsol
rabie
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i would argue there is a lot of riders down south - we have many clubs and no shortage of events in any of the southern centres
But IMHO the "national" scene passes us southerns by as the trials are all way up north, and a greater emphasis is thus places on normal centre events (IMHO)
rabie
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being in a motorcycle club which owns the land and runs MX, trials and enduros let me reassure you now there is no money
even the professional promoters it seam IMHO have gone in with a large amount of capital and not made much of a return
i don't think even shops are making money as all the ones i hear of have other projects going to balance the book
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wobbler - just like me!
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of all the trials clubs in the SE we're arguable the worst to join as it cost
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at our busiest trial (130 - inc chairs and experts) do 18 to 20 sections and send evens one section 1 and odd to section 9 or 10 - mixing all classes up
we manage to do 2 laps comfortably in winter with time to spare, but don't feel we can take more than 120/130 otherwise you do get queueing
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finally got my act together and put photos online - a lot of the chairs, a handful of solos (mostly rigids)
http://www.sidcupmotorcycleclub.co.uk/phot..._trial_2006.htm
the attached photo was the most intresting bike i saw
rabie
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sidecars ???
Robin Luscombe and Les Ashby make a comeback or Robin and Gill Morewood hold on ???
rabie
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BTW you'll get a 4 or so year old modern (any of the big 5) bike for that kind of money check out TMX classifides or
http://www.freestylebikes.co.uk/, http://www.intabikes.co.uk/, http://www.motomerlin.co.uk/, http://www.stevens-trials.co.uk/ and http://www.jamsport.co.uk/
rabie
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for south of the river look at the south eastern centre; check out; http://www.acu.org.uk/directory/centre.aspx?id=13, http://www.trialsinfo.com/, http://www.nktc.org.uk/, http://www.thamesvalleytrials.co.uk/ and the SEC ACU links on my clubs website http://www.sidcupmotorcycleclub.co.uk/
if your the Essex end of London then the eastern centre is worth a look - http://www.easternacu.info/ or http://www.acu.org.uk/directory/centre.aspx?id=3
i haven't got any link for the other portion, the south midland centre (M3 round to M11) - http://www.acu.org.uk/directory/centre.aspx?id=15
there is a tiny portion of the southern centre (http://www.acu.org.uk/directory/centre.aspx?id=14) near London (Berkshire, M3 to M4, area) - North Berks MCC, et all IIRC
But most events tend to be "Regional Restricted" or "Open" so joining a trials club around there gets you in
obviously will depend on bike storage and transport and how far they are willing to travel but on the bright side its been estimated that the 4 London/south east centres account for well over a 1/3 of ACU events and all have very healthy trials scene
best come back with some more specifics
rabie
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you lot think you have it alright debating this here, when i go home i have to placated my mother (motoxmarge) about the fundamentals of TSR22A,B, etc!!! (both are qualified CofCs as well as my Dad!)
fun for all the family
rabie
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i appreciate where you are coming from
IMHO once you've warned them its down to them, they sign on to say they've practically signed their life away its down to them. at the end of the day the people who sunk the mineshaft are responsible in a way. as for a cliff that is nature, your riding off road.
if you believe you need to go the full hog, fill out the forestry form in its amazing detail
but *fundamentally* two different risk assessors are going to identify different risks and when they concur on the same risk they may rate it differently and chose responses to that differently.
IMHO the key is to do any form of RA, the extent is the next step
As far as i know (AFAIK), the ACU insurers will pay out in that example but if it has gone to court it probable will have taken up some of your time.
for example, a kid at one of our MX's went into a prohibited area, a bike went from the track and some mud hit the kid. the event was filmed on tape. the kid sued. despite us being in the right, we (the ACU insurers) settled out of court as it wasn't worth fighting (ie cost us more to fight, even though we're right). my point being is that no matter what you do some **** will try it on - that 21st century Britain
rabie
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the "go kart system" - ie transponders is what we use in MX, hare and hounds and grass track (enduro is much more complex) - I've worked one several times
you put a co-ax loop in the ground at the start and a separate on at the end - to get 1/100th of a second you would need a laser light beam (doable but yet more expense).
a transponder cost around
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very good response John
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having just sat the national clerk of the course seminar (trials and enduro) given by TEC chairman John Collins - I'll say its all included
in my pack i got there, there were three example forms
mk1 - very simple, 5 minutes jobby (covers your a*** in the fact you've done one)
mk2 - by Stratford club, bit more complex with a funky graph
mk3 - super complex foresty style form
the other bit of key advice John dispensed (IMHO anyway) was that risk we are judging are the one we "import" (ie the mountain was there, you can't change that, but building a grandstand is importing so RA must be done)
John did say that its a job for 2006, to further refine the RA issue
as for your last paragraph
a) the insurance covers you anyway
the act of filling one in at the very lest the most basic version on the most simplistic level is ***A step in the right direction***. i wouldn't worry to much about what your putting down
c) i don't AMCA trials people doing this
d) this is trial ! - nothing happens, its intrinsically a very "safe" form of motorsport compared to the MX and Enduros my club also puts on
so chill, do the basic version with some common sense and you're covered
rabie
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