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ride a trial if i get a chance! (beyond my clubs wobbler and evening trials) IIRC i only made it to one two trials that weren't our own last year (and the year before!) rabie (busy organising, studenting and doing the odd enduro)

Entry List here (PDF - 31kb) sight for me is going to be Chris Etheridge (Sidecar MX ace in the chair!) rabie

Its the 15th January , Canada Heights. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> See http://www.sidcupmotorcycleclub.co.uk/ J3 M25, easy parking, catering, loos, etc I'll try and post the entry list up latter rabie

just chucked my spare pre65 sidecar (not bike) in the tip! best suggestion would be nose around TMX classifieds or try the IOM sidecar website (as there are loads of them over there) - something like sidecartrails.com rabie (owner of - not rider of - a pre65 chair)

sorry I'm late (Xmas Holiday - ie I'm at work and now just finished uni exams) 1) Planning laws - you have technically (assuming "normal" land in England and Wales) have 14 to 28 days (depending upon interpretation) for trials. Town and Country planning Act 1948 as amended. See LARA's website for land issues. 2) Public liability insurance - for an MX practise track this cost roughly

my mum got a similar email and she doesn't have one either!!! it makes you wonder at times rabie :hat:

being a soft southern fairy who doesn't go to northern trials (with rocks) and I'm not going to be a good trials rider any time soon, i have to say the TALMAG pre 65 trail on the last Sunday in January. biggest spectator trial in the south east, every section is lined with crowds, and its proper big hills for the pre65 to roar around. loads of people to meet up with who you only see at this one trial.... rabie :hat:

I'm afraid my parents haven't done British championship sidecar trials since the 1980's (i came along and spoiled their fun!), so i can't help you on that (and their all up north or far west - well to me!), we run a non-national and i suspose its my fault i don't get proactive and add reports to trialscentral. sure coverage of sidecar trials would be welcome, it "floats my boat" more than say youth, but as always it if you have the report/photos covering it .... rabie :hat:

re affiliation / licence while there is a hardcore out there who ride week in and week out, you must remember that trials as the real entry level of motorcycle sport really does benefit form the levy system, as many riders don't ride all that often. and at the end of the day as someone above has pointed out, if you go ride an AMCA trial you pay one sum, fill in one form and there is no licence, no nothing. part of me questions the amca's wisdom in doing this but on the other hand the simplicity of this is very attractive rabie :hat:

can't say anything as dad is a sidecar driver, my cousin is currently passengering, my mum did and i own the chair and will probable get collared into passengering one day rabie :hat:

hmm this is a tough cookie as you all may know i come from a big trails, enduro and MX club in enduro there is no youth scene at all, while in MX is very separate (in our part of the world) and often run by different governing bodies. being very much the devil's advocate and in addition to the extensive bits above about trials being the poor man's motorsport; there is an extensive body out here who don't believe in youth funding. now while the RFME (Spain) and the rest fund their youth, i really don't believe we should. if you do it for one sport you have to do it for the rest and I'm not really convinced we should be "sponsoring" youth. while i understand your case for it, and appreciate private individual and companies (inc Andy's photo operation) helping youth riders is this really the job of the governing body? and whats in it for the governing body - where is the return for the ACU. IMHO and several others out there this is not what the ACU is for or a sensible use of ACU funds. you make good reference to the ACU's current cash pile of circa

road race (apparently) gives fines out for everything and therefore contribute a hefty sum to the Ben fund tempting idea to transfer to MX / Youth MX as for how they ride without a licence (you can buy day licence in road race) i don't know rabie

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hello Araf quite a few EKTC trials near you (Ashford, Barham, Folkstone, GEST, Sittingbourne, and Tenterden rabie

sorry i didn't mean to bite your head off hopefully its been made painfully clear that the economics of trials means that you are probable paying far to little to enter British championship trials (and compared to other motorcycles, and motorsport you're paying peanuts), they are really being subsidised by the other events the club runs rabie :hat:

it will in 2006 different (which previously/currently was run by how Stuart C describes it) the magic idea is that yes you only join one club but this is highly dependant upon the events you seek to ride being run on the "right" permit! / the permit issuing authority (ie the centre) granting the "right" permit we silly southern fairy's will be running all our "centre" meetings as "open" - ie you on your Bon Accord MCC membership could come and ride our meeting if you really wanted to. however you would be able to ride in a club trial unless you were a club member. *Some* centres *may* restrict their centre championship rounds to either centre residents, or centre clubs, etc, etc. So you may need to, still, join many clubs if you want to ride certain events hope that is clear (as mud!!!) rabie :hat:

look Einstein take a look at that cost list and for the pitiful entry fee of ONLY!!!

wow where to start 1) Licence In trials there is only one type, no "national" grading (apart from that list to get into the British Championship) --> ie unlike MX, RR, etc where it is set in stone. Well there is an international category. 2) The rest of the country There is a world beyond our centre (ie north of the river) or even (shock horror) beyond the Watford gap!!! All I know is there are these mysterious things called rocks (strange!) and moors. As well as some very different ways of doing things like marking out sections, classes and gradings --> good luck! 3) More / different host /etc for championship round in the SEC A quick flick to my list of centre dates (2005) - sc_sec_smc_trials_dates_2005.pdf - and championship rounds (2005) - 2005TRIALSchampDATES.DOC - reveals we in the SEC run 6 separate championships that are combined and mixed in various ways. 1 - Expert, Inter, Novice (11 rounds) 2 - Modern Sidecar (7 rounds) 3 - Pre 67 A-D & Twinshock (8 rounds) 4 - Pre 67 Sidecar (6 rounds) 5 - Youth A & B (8 rounds) 6 - Youth C & D 6 rounds) Also we run 4 (well 5) combines, host a handful of nationals, have various closed to clubs, wobblers and a very separate 3 round LDT championship It is up to the Trials Combine (to which all clubs and combines end delegates) to decide who has rounds. off the top of my head i don't know if lots of clubs apply and are rejected ??? I do note that lots of these meeting are traditionally centre rounds, and you rightly raise a "quality" issue. What is the answer ??? --> could you split it into two championships; one Expert, Inter, Youth A&B and another Novice, Pre67 / Twinshock, Sidecar and Youth C & D. this would allow you to separate it out and run more rounds. BUT a) do the venues allow it, do the clubs want to do this, c) more generally how would more rounds go down with people who do nationals of various sorts Even then some clubs "get away with" / "pull off" a combined trial doing everything (eg Sidcup Sixty, Gravesend, etc) - is this right, wrong ??? Its a great big debate, one to which i don't know the answer and is very dependant upon countless variable that might not come into line. Rome wasn't built in a day but change is possible..... Anyway as for money, and as an exception to the rule as a club we don't do trials for the money by no means!!! Trials is chicken feed compared to the numbers involved in MX and even Enduros. Our club runs British MX championship to do fun small things like trials! Money wise on a per capita basis the money in trials is actually in running large well-attended wobbler trials (minimal costs, work, officials and lots of riders). But then the rest of the trials clubs out there are nothing like Sidcup (the Sidcup Mafia!!!) rabie :hat:

again while it would be nice to be like our ex-pat Ishy, and have one rule, as we can see we all disagree on which of the two (three) different options we want and even then how to interpret (when is ceasing forward motion, ceasing forward motion) even if we (generally riders) could agree here, are we representative of the nation as a whole ??? are we representing everyone one; from youth A-D, sidecars, experts, inters, novice, Twinshocks, pre67 A-D, LDTs, etc, etc even then, once you've climbed that hurdle the poor volunteers who by and large make up the majority of the observers, are they equipped, trained (or inclined) to cope with yet another change. most often (form what i see) they are very lenient on the stopping issue and don't go into counting time or adding dabs for being stationary while this may challenge us, the riders (the modern bikes who want to "hop skip and jump" AND the non stop brigade, who don't want to stop), are we really going to bring the observers with us.............. good debate though ..... rabie :hat:

hah thats nothing attached is the South Eastern, Southern and South Midland joint trials calender (here sc_sec_smc_trials_dates_2005.pdf pdf)--> and this doesn't include most closed to clubs, and we don't have many nationals down south at the end of the day people want to put events on, and if there are riders your going to have to clash some answers to the clashing problem geographic --> "combines" --> we split our centre into 5 (NKTC, EKTC, SCG, Star, TVTC) and the 2nd Sunday of the month there are 5 trials on which are between centre and club trials more simply you have one trial at one end and another at the other classes --> its good to have an expert/inter trial somewhere while a pre65/novice trial is somewhere else as you can see from the PDF we have centre rounds on vs wobbler trials, club trials, etc worst case if you try and cap what clubs are doing they'll just sod off and go AMCA or ORPA - no pint in trying to limit but just work out the dates better (which is hard) rabie :hat:

very nice !!! good one of my dad and cousin (on my bike) (see No50, the AMC Sidecar) i would have said hi if i could have found you! , quite a large crowd (for a trial) there (i was whizzing around on a Beta, sticking out like a sore thumb!!!) more photos and reports, plus the results on the Sidcup club website rabie :hat:

thats susm it up well the way you aproach the section (as in riding style) is dependant upon the rules and this changes as your marks change rabie :hat:

i must admit it has since snowed up here in the Midlands but reports from home (souf of da river!) say no snow and i can sympathise with not wanting to mark out in inclement weather rabie (southern fairy)

"top up tv" is for people who have a freeview box (ie terrestrial digital in the UK) which has a card reader in it --> ie the old ON digital / ITV digital or some brand new ones. most people have ones without a card reader. ftp is OK, what about bittorent - easier to do (as far as I'm aware, esp on hosting)... ??? rabie