rabie

as a southern fairy anything north of the watford gap is too far north!!! hell we get upset people in our centre if they "have" tog o to a trial at one end form their house at the other end ??? anyway I'm barley centre novice grade so i doubt you'll see me (any we southern don't know what rocks are ) rabie

Its the Sidecar Trial this sunday (entry list attached) you don't need a photographers bib but you can wear one if you want !!! rabie sidecar_trial_2005_riders_list.pdf

it's another body like ACU and AMCA rabie

surely the ACU T&E committee only legislate for the nationals (ie events issued on rugby's permits) - its up to the centres (or SACU) what method they use for their championships and then its up to the clubs what they want for their trials. come on its a democracy and a free country and the continued TSR22 A or B argument is upsetting people --> there is no need to dictate what method is used and for all i care invent TSR 22 C, D, etc if you want to. At the end of the Day what's the point of dictating and upsetting people ? sure back the day non stop worked for everyone - then some people got very good and took trials to the next level and hoop skipped and jumped --> if they want to do this, and people want to put on trials for them then why not. even if we all went non stop, would the FIM change ??? Come on ....... rabie

I'll probable be at our NKTC trial on the first weekend in November, if you want to pop up and say hi, watch and have a chat rabie

look its a free country and its up to the promoter/club what rules they want to run - as long as they tell the riders in advance if you force everyone to run by one set of rules then these that don't like will just go AMCA and the "union" will be less useful! rabie

firstly welcome to the south and I'm afraid there are no mountains and very few rocks (if any) there are lots of clubs about locally and you in a very active trials area thirdly there are no (legal) trials practise areas about however there are so many events on (of varying degrees of skills) that you don't need to worry about it IIRC KYTC (http://www.kytc.co.uk/) are running a "Wobbler" on the 30th of October which is really easy and would be the perfect event to find your trials feet (on the pegs of course). all you need is join a club (there are about 50 locally - ranging from a few pounds to my owns somewhat expensive

*some* centres have website, which may have a dates list online we in the south east haven't really got our act together (my fault) to do such a thing however we in the south east have teamed up with the southern and south midland and publish a monthly magazine with the regs in. the eastern and south western centres also run a similar magazine so by default TMX has the most definitive pan UK list but no one person really knows whats on every weekend as lots of events aren't even listed in TMX rabie

ahh - we scrapped that in the ACU some time ago. we (the club) too used to pay the ACU for every member we had, so now you non competing members aren't in any way affiliated to the SACU/ACU at all (i thought this all went when we introduced trials affiliation). the insurance costs (are as far as i know) the same in the AMCA (its the same insurance company IIRC), and thus the only extra your is paying for the SACU (which must in some way provide services back to you..... -> stewards, legal help, training, pays for your inter centre team, etc, etc) and anything at all you pay the ACU .... ??? HRC - the only bar would be the different Scottish legal system - the AMCA office would have to establish if it legal for them to issue permits, etc for Scotland (the ACU, AMCA, etc are by a story instrument, circa 1992, removed form the road traffic act requirement to notify the police --> but i bet this is only an england & wales act) rabie

i think BDMC explains the ACU vs SACU difference well - and at the end of the day it's up to the SACU members (or members via clubs) to change the system personally i like the

there's a ferry from birkendhead (Liverpool) to Belfast --> outgoing take 11 hours (overnight ie you can sleep it) but coming back is an 10 / 11 hour wait in the day so you can do minimal driving route via Liverpool, drive out to stranrar (take ages) or drive up through the republic ......... rabie

someone rode an LDT (either OWLS or Sidcup's) down here on the parry dakar bike (KTM big jobby - 900cc plus), also had a 600 Indian last year. On a trials (rather than LDT side) its probable one of the sidecars or a big pre67 - but pre67 won't have big HP ..... rabie

im at uni with two people from the IOM, i really mus tvisit them at GP or TT time - its just im always busy! the tales they tell !!! - if onyl the rest of the UK was so bike friendly rabie

its varies considerable (we run several events at our own venue) depending on the event 1 centre (regional) championship trial - traditionally 3 to 4 routes with he following classes : experts, inters, novice, youth A, B, C, Twinshock, pre67 A, B, C, D, Sidecars and pre67 sidecars. this year we changed it and ran 10 section of two routes for the experts and inters and another 10 sections of 2 routes for everyone else --> reaction was mixed but its the only event when everyone in the centre is together for everything (except youth C & D championship) 1 "expert" trial - 3 routes, 3 classes : "super" expert, expert and Twinshock expert 4 evening trials - 4 routes, anyone can enter (ie no classes - everything has turned up from pre67 to youth D, to sidecars to trail bikes), the routes are generally expert, inter, novice, wobbler 1 long distance trail - for trail bikes over 100 miles (sections all over), 5 classes (4 capacity based and a pre67 class) --> this is really a different kettle of fish - mostly trail, road legal enduro and the odd pre67 - one route 1 beginners and wobbler trial - 2 routes and 2 classes- one easier than novice and really easy (trail bike able) 1 sidecar trial - 4 routes and 4 classes - expert, inter, novice and pre67 1 combine trial - 3 routes (normally) and lots of classes - expert, expert B, inter, novice, Twinshock, Pre 67 A,B,C,D and Youth A&B - we'ld do sidecars if they would turn up 1 pre67 trial - 2 routes and 9 classes - A (hard), A (easy), B (hard), B (easy), C, D, E (hard), E (easy), and sidecars very confusing!!! rabie

a) get TBM http://www.trailbikemag.com/ check out rides.org.uk c) gas gas pampera, beta alp, Yamaha serrow, crf230, low number Xl's, etc, etc trials bikes are far too specialised for any sort of trail riding really, non existent fuel tanks, no seat, etc while the bikes above excel at LDTs without being to enduro styled rabie

i think what everyone is getting at is that Lancaster and morecombe journalism is different form the competition trialsworld vs TBM TMX vs rest DBR vs moto & moto X the competition is blatantly much better written but L&M still have the sales so get away with it IMHO Moto & TBM produce the best journalism but if i can get hold of them I'd buy them all so that doesn't give L&M the incentive to improve its journalism (which the arrival of competition has done over the past years) trialsworld had the potential to be a good little magazine like TBM (that is highly successful, well written, etc, etc) but has IMHO fallen down and just become a TMX extension rabie

but Wulfsport gear is cheap!!! and i can get away with one set of gear for MX, enduro and trials!!! rabie (student!)

white --> expert and youth A blue --> inters and youth B red --> novice, youth C, sidecars, pre67 solos yellow --> wobbler, youth D, pre 67 sidecar, i forget where expert B go at our combine trials (white or red) obviously not all the above classes run at every trial eg1 at a wobbler there is a yellow (wobbler) and red (easier than normal novice) eg2 at our pre67 trial we run red (sidecars and rigid and others) and white (harder) eg3 at our sidecar trails we ran all four colours on a scale of skill (white - luscombe to yellow beginner) fundamentally whatever the name / colour me as a southern fairy with no rocks would be totally out my depth in the rock strewn north while you northerners may not know the pleasures of southern mud plugging rabie

cobblers - of course TMX is northern biased they're staff reporters can't be bother (with some legitimacy) from coming all the way down south (where everyone lives) to do some reporting thus the editorial slant (be it comment, letters, position of reports, etc) seams to have a real northern slant hence the TBM YOU HAVE USED WORDS OR A PHRASE WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THIS WEBSITE. PLEASE DELETE YOUR POST/TOPIC. DO NOT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE FILTERS IN PLACE ON THIS WEBSITE would have been really interesting because it would be written by southerns the next question is is it right that most of the reporters in TMX come form unpaid reporters doing it off their own backs ... ??? rabie (southern fairy)

novice (red), the wobbler route is too easy but I'm still crap! (need to ride more often). its much worse (for me) when there are no pre65 or sidecars on the same route! rabie

will do have to buy you a beer at some point rabie

can't find any pics of my 2000 Beta but here's my other (going) trials bike - a 1952 AMC (my dad and my mate in the chair) rabie

just got mine yesterday, and I'm very impressed - its the kind of well written compelling reading that you don't find in TMX/DBR/TW ...... i wish TBM all the best with this project rabie

we run an expert trial at the weekend and i got to have a quick and brief chat with our president who does all the results turns out what he's got running at the moment is the basic spreadsheet which after inputting the all the data he does a twofold sort (I don't know how to do that) based upon class and route. he also has like Bradford do a formula running to calculate cleans, ones, etc however the other 40 / 50 odd trials clubs use different / other systems so the aim of creating one uniform system that could instantly calculate the centre champs ASAP (and also indicate grading easily) would be different. anyway i need to chat longer with our president and a few other about it..... round our way they actually published the enduro standing excell spreadsheet so i think they are OK in MX (more my forte), when its not on transponders - the result is done by hand. where the vlookup function can be used is that to print the programme the details have already been typed up and all the worker out person would have to do (usually my mum!) is type the finishing order in of each race (they only work out about the first 15 of 45) et voila - full details of a) race result overall on the day (over 3 races) c) heat method qualifying and d) series standing(s) (centre and club championships) all 4 desired functions are simple(ish) working upon the same function, although the later would require inter sheet cross-referencing in a manner i have yet to get my head around yet (but undoubtedly possible) then its got to be simple enough for my mum or a few other to use really its just a question of playing about with the function knowing how it works - which is an issue to mull over rather than rush and generate something i'll think about it some more...... rabie

exactly that should be (in theory) how it works and that will save the centre recorder a lot of work and make the results very easily to display to everyone once you've got the trials the challenge would be transferring it to MX and enduros (my clubs other interests and where a market undebatable exists) enduros have yet to decide an electronic system that works best but MX have settled for the transponder system - the results goes online and is extractable as an RSS feed or off the programme itself as a txt file (CSV IIRC) but that system costs several grand to use so must club level stuff is still done by hand where the spreadsheet could very easily be adapted..... rabie