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Personally I have combined punching with marking and Timekeeping at a BTC. IT wasn't that difficult or maybe I'm just better..... I notice not many have bothered taking on my arguments. Obviously too good for you. As for rider numbers the current system is about to produce them. Now it looks like panic has set in and YMSA Trials are going to be the British Championship for those wanting to progress now that the BTC has been "Tainted" by those who want everybody to win a BTC round.

Rough Holden Farm This venue which is located on the outskirts of Silsden has been used as a practice venue for over 10 years -pre foot & mouth. The venue could be lost as a practice venue in the near future unless Ian Boothman (Landowner) can provide evidence that people have used the ground on a ad hoc basis. He requires evidence that you the trial rider have used the venue over the last 10 years to practice on. All he requires is a letter stating who you are and a statement that you have used the venue for practice. You can e-mail him via Peter at peter@bradfordtrials.org or a direct letter to Ian at: Ian Boothman Rough Holden Farm, Sislden, Keighley, BD20 0ZS If Ian loses his case there is a chance the anti bike brigade will then set out to stop organised trials at the venue. If they are successful where next, Keighley Gate, Addingham Moorside, Lady Lane , Cowling Cragg plus many others within the Keighley area. Don't think someone else will do it get pen to paper now or e-mail Peter. peter@bradfordtrials.org Thanks on behalf of Ian and all local trials riders

In Spain they have the Punters, they have TV coverage etc. There it works why should they change? Why wouldn't they resist the FIM trying to change the rules? Especially as it's only the ACU trying to do it? In the UK the problem is a lack of a rider capable of winning WTC. There was a BIG gap between Dougie, Graham, and Steve Colley to the current lads. It could be said that nobody was going to come though while these boys dominated the sport in the UK. But it has hurt the Sport here as Doug and Graham have moved to Enduro's and Steve just does shows. Could that be blamed on No Stop? There's an argument it could be. That lack of a really high profile rider with no disrespect to Dibs, Jack etc is probably what's hurting UK Trials at the moment. There is nobody who can get on TV barring Dougie because as far as the TV exec's are concerned they don't have the credibility. They are starting to bridge the gap and with Browny, Wigg and Shepard a new dynasty could emerge as Spain's Golden generation Wane. Just Behind them are lads like Jack Price and Joe Faunthorpe brought up on Stop Trials at National level. If we change to No Stop we risk another big gap in WTC capable riders by going back to rules designed for twin shocks and drum brakes. Yes it gets the enthusiast interested but not the "Punters" who want to watch. However look at Bicycle Trials, Danny Macaskill is feted on TV due to how he can throw a Trials Bicycle around. He could be on a Trials Motorcycle. However would he be interested in No-Stop? Pretty unlikely even if the Money was there and lets face it He doesn't need to move now. Many of his contemporaries don't want to move either. In Spain a lot do and we have missed out on them. No-Stop certainly discourages them because that's what they do! And they are growing in number. We've seen Jack start to do the sort of Video Danny does to get the sport moving. That excites Punters. We do have riders coming in. Those who find road and MX/Enduros just too damaging. Youngsters on the OSET's. That's the future and we can cater for all. Set Beginners and Club course out so they can be ridden No-Stop. The Main and Championship courses as Stop and you make everybody happy and you get a progression for the riders who want and need it.

No-Stop is not "harder" to ride unless you put in sections that cannot be ridden No-Stop. In which case what's the point? I have to also say that the only Trials I have been to where We have finished in the dark are No-Stop. Even then it's usually down to a group messing around chatting between sections. All the Trials We attend take at most 4 Hours or 240 mins to finish whatever rules are being used and usually with about 30-100 riders. Sort of makes the time arguments FOR No-Stop spurious and looking a bit... well silly. As for losing "large" obstacles how does that mean C of C's have MORE Weapons in order to take marks. It limits them. You have to look for obstacles with run ups or that allow a "flow". That needs a bigger space. How is that helping clubs with limited land?

One Yes I knew the AGM was on but did not receive an Agenda. Generally that means no changes. As I had been in touch regarding other matters this should have been mentioned as it was a couple of years ago and then riders turned out to vote Stop in. Two The Pro's include the Spanish and they are not going to allow the rules at that level to change. Hence The British Pro riders may well have to forsake the BTC for events that run to the same rules as the WTC. No change as the "top" riders will still "hop". Only if the Manufacturers allow it or the Importers are prepared to put up the cash will they be able to do the BTC. Three As for Getting better, the riders doing Stop are better!! After all when they do turn out the No-Stoppers don't fare that well.

The problem is simple. I haven't seen a "No-Stop" Trial these days that either is so easy it barely takes a mark or so hard it leaves us observers open to abuse when we do award a five for stopping!!!! Perhaps the problem is from your end of the argument. Every problem at a Trial is Because it's not NO-STOP. Every low entry is because it's not NO-STOP. Low bike sales??? If we went NO-STOP.... etc etc etc. It's like water torture. Every good Trial is No-Stop. Every Bad Trial is Stop. Sorry it does not work that way. But of course most of the Chorus seems to be from a bygone age and they believe if they sing from the same OLD song book somebody will listen. Make a Trial EASY and you'll get riders no matter what the rules. Don't clash with another club and you'll get riders. Only when you wonder why only 6-10 riders turn up for BTC and only about the same can win S3 rounds don't blame the rules

Not Attacking you Dave, I "don't shoot the messenger". It's that no details that this was to be voted on were passed to me to include on the web site. I also am on the mailing list and this was not circulated by that means either. Given that It is relatively important I would have thought the club would have liked to have given all the riders the opportunity to participate. Given that it seems to have been "missed" I suspect many more riders would have turned out to vote and that may not have resulted in this result. But perhaps that was was the intention.

I Doubt it. Many clubs still have Stop rules and prefer them. As I stated I don't like the tactics employed here.

Sounds like either the peg, peg mount or kick start are bent in some manner. Check them against another Gasser and see.

I am bloody annoyed by this. It was not communicated to the general membership that the rules were on the AGM's Agenda. I didn't know this and am very disappointed as I am supposed to be one of the main avenues for news from Yeadon Guisleley. It very much seems that certain members of the club decided to keep the agenda "quiet" in order to get the result they wanted. Personally I feel disappointed that I could not give the opportunity to those members who wished to stay TSR22A to vote. If this is the way TSR22B "supporters" are going to act this could get very messy!!

Guy on Pistonheads wanted to be able to ride to his local practice area so he'd kitted his REV4 out for longer range riding. Everything comes off in 2 mins so if he feels the need he can ride to trial and strip it down ready.

First I'd make sure you can ride what you have. Many riders spin up lose traction and stop because they use too much power. Concentrate on getting your right hand under control and getting the best out of the bike. It's all about having the right amount of throttle at the right time. To do that you also need to get the bike balanced and at the right angles in a section. I'd say make sure the bits you are touching, pegs, bars grips and airbox feel "right". Adjust, get different bars, levers, grips and pegs if they don't feel right. Then get working on riding. Adjust things until you are comfy. Ninety percent of riders will never need to change any more than that. You can "Bling" them up in all sorts of ways. Change the Reservoir tops to match the bike. slap on some Plastic "protection". Most bikes end up on the deck so slapping on some fork and frame guards makes for a worthwhile investment. Then once you are having a good time on the bike and getting the results you like then look at Power and engine and suspension mods. Generally the Bike you have will have the "short" S3 Titanium pipe. The "Long" pipe "softens" the power and places it down the rev band. You can put different heads and gaskets on the cylinder to change the power delivery. You can "weight" the Flywheel to keep the engine going if you have trouble "stalling" at low revs. The Kehin Carb is good for Smoothing out the Power and increasing it thoughout the rev range. The Best mod is replace the Sachs Shock with an Ohlins or the Reiger because the bike will have more than enough power but the better shocks give better traction and feel.

Personally I'd like to see a design use the full potential of Electric motors. For example would a Hub motor be better than one in the conventional position allowing for bigger batteries. Could the Batteries be in the frame? COuld we have a more skeletal fram design really taking the weight and weight distribution to new levels?? Yes they could be the future but I'd like to see more radical thoughts on them. Perhaps that's where British Designers should be looking??

Trouble is they'll only do one lap...... Besides. If they think redically there is no need to stick with the Conventional layout.

The club apologises for any inconvinience or disappointment this may cause but the E class organiser feels the venue is not suitable at this time for an OSET round.

ACU Only changed the rules. But the rule just states that if a flag has to be "re-plnted". However as it isn't "your" route and I wouldn't have 5-ived you. The resaoning I have is that even if the flags are planted together the track you take may bring you into contact with a flag on the other route. This particularly applies where the flag for one route is in the middle of another set of flags for a different route.

Nice Insult!!! There aren't any crap clubs anywhere. Easy Trials just don't breed good riders. As I said the centre championship is between two clubs that run STOP rules and the Centre Championship is run using both sets of rules. Hence where is this "levelling" you refer to. As for the riders you refer to. Well I'm pretty sure Dibs, Jack Challonor, Jon Richardson, Rich Sadler, Zac Sherwin, Danny Gamble etc are names you may have heard of and they do tend to ride pretty well themselves.

Riders will do that. I've done it myself for my Son. However Spectators asked to spend a lot of money, time and Holiday to get to a area miles off the beaten track for one day? I will be getting tickets for Carlisle. That's because it's easy to get to and I don't need to scrabble for accommodation. If asked I'll even look into being an observer.

Fort William had a number of problems none related to the rules. The area is well setup for the SSDT but two major Trials in an area miles away from anywhere? Yes it is setup for tourists so in theory there is plenty of accommodation. However for the SSDT it's just coming out of "low" season and the SSDT kick starts the year. At the time of the WTC the Tourist season is in full flow with accommodation at a premium. The distance for most isn't a problem for the SSDT after all it's a full week. For the WTC 1 or 2 day event it's a long way off the main roads just to go for that event. For a WTC it's not an ideal venue.

The Yorkshire Centre is evenly Split regarding Stop and No Stop. In the case of Yeadon Guiseley the riders determined that the club switched to STOP. The Best riders in the Centre come from clubs riding STOP. The top two clubs competing for the best club in the centre have TSR22A Stop rules. The Yorkshire Centre is NOT a No-Stop area. Yes Ripon and Richmond have Large entries but neither can compete at Centre level as they have fewer of the best riders. In the case of Ripon to be frank they only have one Centre level rider. He is pretty good as well!!!! but not because he rides Ripon trials which apart from the Centre events they hold are basic Beginners and Novice Trials. They do not even have a club championship. What does this say about Trials? Well basically a lot of riders want easy Trials. Well that's fine and I hear a lot about putting a "few" hard setions into S3 Trials and making that the "new" BTC. Again fine, But there arre already two courses on the S3. You put in some harder sections and you WILL get riders whinging about how hard it is and they need a 50/50 and make the easier course easier. All the time the sport gets Easier. Meanwhile the riders who want a "Hard" course are short changed. The Problem is it is a leisure sport. The Bikes cannot be used sensibly on the road. That limits the numbers. It's the same in all Motorsport except where the cars/bikes are all the same. you have 5-10 people who can win and the rest fighting over the minor placings. They aren't called "Aliens" in Motogp for nothing.

Usually have ours cut to length by the supplier. Lots easier!!

I observe in the Yorkshire centre. I have seen plenty of "different" C of C attempts at making a Trial. It's not difficult to make an easy trial. It also not difficult to make a hard trial. The "top" lads of which I include my Son who hates "easy" Trials want a Trial where 20 to 40 marks dropped is the norm. Try that with the "Clubmans" course and they stay away. I have been to Richmond Trials and the sections for the harder course are not always "no-stop". In Fact many times you cannot do a section without Hopping. Yes they get a lot of entries in club trials but that is down to location. Many of those Riders don't "come down" to the central and southern part of the area. As for Centre Trials I don't see any more riders at Richmond as any others. Again the Riders who "do" the centre's tend to go to all of them, however, Yet Again with regard to Club and Centre Trials you get an entry dependent on the clubs reputation but mainly on dates. If nothing else is on you get a big entry. The reputation of the SSDT and Scott also get a "good" entry. In Many cases some riders are entered because the dealers want their riders there. In the case of the rules I can think that some riders will AVOID TSR22A and some TSR22B. In all cases if you set the Trial out right for the rules you run No problem. BUT do let the observers know. I have run at Trials with 22A where an observer insists that 22B should be applied. In one notorious case A section had to be pulled at a Centre where the Observer insisted the rules were 22B where the club had always been 22A. The Problem is not always the rules. It's the riders who insist they are better than they are. Sorry but many riders who think they are great merely never come to a "hard" Trial or meet "good" riders. They then moan about how they would have won under the other "rules". The "good" riders are there already on merit. To beat them you get out and run with them and hopefully improve. If you can't enjoy the day out and ride as well as you can!!

I suspect the difference is in the engine. It's a heavy(-ish) lump made in the thousands probably for very little. The Pro engine on the other hand is a specialised lightweight unit with a very small gearbox. There are also a few other more "standard" Parts like the Forks which are not the Marzocchi's found on the Pro will also add up.