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Main problem is the range on a trial. As a friend found out when having to drag back his child's OSET on Sunday.

The BTC has three classes in all you get over 50 riders plus Minders. That's 100 in all. Yes the TOP class did have one round where the numbers were down to 6 but overall the ROUND had a large number of entries at all rounds despite the fact the ACU limit the entries. As for the S3 championship I won't go into the specifics again but Trials Motorcycles on Public roads is not sustainable.

I'm sorry but are you aware how many Riders you need for a Trial. Say goodbye to the younger element and you can say "Cheerio" to your club!! You may think Clubs are rich beyond avarice, but organise a trial with 30 - 40 riders and you break even, less and the club haemorrhages cash at an alarming rate. It all depends on the cost of land and officials but the majority of clubs live hand to mouth.

Agree with the rest of the posters. IRIS chains don't last. I use the RK MX520 and they last a LONG time. Used Renthal as well and they are very good but I find them difficult to get hold of.

But many of those riders do pick and choose which events to ride in. The majority of most S3 entries tend to be older "locals" with a few younger riders. I would also say that many are road based Trials as well which will limit their entires, (or it SHOULD do).

Good Point about the younger riders. Most have been brought up on Stop rules and don't like "no-Stop". The SSDT and the Scott are often brought up as Successful "no-Stop" trials. They are however getting to be more "Enduro" than Trials and that type of timed event depends on riders getting though sections ASAP.

No-Stop is exactly what it says, balanced or not. Some confusion was down to how many interpreted the "old" TSR22A where a Balanced stop got a one and a stopped foot down was given a five, (or not), and also the "Stop" rules seemed to "blur" into the No-Stop for a few observers. Again it is down to the CofC to put down the course that his riders want. One other thing. Ride the course you CAN ride. Yes if you start winning that regularly then move up. Too many riders whinge about courses when they are not good enough to ride the course they are on.

"What is better - a rideable trial with observers and the odd mark you are not happy with or - harder trials with no or few observers where you can mark yourelves and cheat as much as you like. Cheers" Unfortunately I have observed at both TSR22A and B Trials that fall into both categories. Hence a change of rules makes no odds. As I see it if you want the entries set an "easy" trial. Then you get over 100 entries. Set a "Hard" trial or even one that takes a few marks and basically the riders stay away. There seems to be a set of riders who want "Novice/Beginners" Trials at all levels and basically many clubs need the riders to turn up. They do not do themselves any favours as they never get any better and grumble at observers.

Depends, they can't change the rules on a "STOP" that's defined under TSR22B. As well do ALL the clubs members agree? There is a case for a local club up here that wanted to go TSR22A but found that a lot of non-riding members turned up to vote it out... The Clubs are pretty evenly split up here 7 run TSR22A, 5 run TSR22B with Ilkley trials running to TSR22B. ALl clubs barring Huddersfield Falcons run the rules for their Centres as per the Club rules. Works pretty well as if you don't like the rules you don't turn up!!!

Spen Valley are running a separate Small Wheel trial for both Small Wheel and Electric Bikes at their Novice Beginners Trial this Sunday. The venue is Harden Moor with a Start of 10:30. The Novice Beginners for all other classes will start at 12:00.

Bit Strange as only one BTC had an entry below "full". The S3 series seems to be the "Older" rider series and most are road based which could end up being a dead end.

I have been told that there are only 6 BTC rounds as well. WestWood kicks it off and you have the YG, Scarborough and Mitchell. I also think the dates offered to some clubs were not "doable".

Well Otter Vale and Mansfield Maun are long term holders of these Trials. The North East one is rapidly becoming a popular fixture and Scarborough are always looking to hold one around a busy schedule. No Welsh or Scottish rounds and the IOW round was ebing "rested" which is a shame as they run in a Quarry which is a nice change. I'd be surprised if a Yorkshire Centre club doesn't pop up to organise one as a few of the youths are in the Yorkshire area. At this stage I expect that the Calendar is still fluid and once clubs see it then a few more hopefully will throw their hat into the ring.

Traditionally there are usually more clubs wanting to run A& B than rounds. The problem is getting the dates right. Many clubs have "spots" in their diaries they would love to run a round on but getting those dates so they don't clash with other Nationals is becoming more of a problem. As a matter of interest who has got a round??

Colin Appleyard are having a Trials Training day soon. I Even think it's free but you have to contact them to book and the places are limited. I think Phil Disney and a few others that ride for them will be there. Doug's Training is usually in August sometime. It always used to be the week after the Yeadon Guiseley National. Graham Jarvis did do it for a while but has stopped for the moment. It's a case of a limited market where riders that want training will look once a year or so the "need" dries up. For the Colin Appleyard day To book for the trials school, please call Kevin at their Keighley dealership on 01535 606311

Nige and Nick at TrialsUK do have a good name for customer service. But I would say that!!!!

That's not bad for delivery. Not many carry "stock" bikes unless they are really dedicated. At this stage the OSET is a proven package and has run in some pretty wet conditions at our YG OSET cup trials without one going wrong. I'd say for Mecatechno Caroline's track record speaks for itself providing she doesn't OD on the Juice she's selling ;-) . You have to remember that this is not the Mecatechno of old but a new company set up and using the name so they have to build their own reputation. The colour scheme's a bit suspect as well although I have been told that the "old" bikes used it. On the other front OSET have built gradually and now have a strong set of dealers and the Electric Trials are going from strength to strength with their support.

All have their good points However I can say the following. Beta. REV-3 Ask about the Stator. All except the later models had weaknesses but most were replaced by John Lampkin. The Mikuni Carb leaked unless modified. The later Kehin Carbed are better. Get a bike with the later Rear guard arrangement if you can. It has a Hatch to get the Air filter out. Rear Box mount needs checking. There are two versions. The early "Fat" frame and the later "Slim" frame. It's the petrol tank area that looks either fat or slim and the changeover was 2007 looking at the photos The first EVO's if you see one you can afford are pretty much as per the later REV-3 barring a few problems with Swing arms cracking at the Shock mount U. Again John replaced them and they were fixed for the second year. Gas Gas. Check the gearbox. It's a work of art but if the lever is hit it can cause problems. The "Bart Simpson" gear on the Kick start goes on 2005-2008 models later ones seem better. The upper and lower Middle Box mounts on the exhaust usually have been re welded to a higher standard. Check to make sure this has been done. On the older Elliptical frame check the Fuel tank where the airbox is attached. If the airbox screws were too long they rubbed on the tank causing leaks. I'd go with not buying before the 2005 model. Sherco. on the Old engine Main Bearings can be a problem as they are lubed by the Petrol mix and the Oil "hole" was pretty small. Make sure they are OK. The Air filter sits under the rear mudguard which needs a "LOT" of sealing to keep it watertight. The Stator cover also seems to get water under the seals on the mid "noughties" models. Some of the Fuel taps also had a fault where the "straw" was too long in the tank causing the engine to starve and cut out even if reserve was selected. Again this should have been corrected. The New Sherco. Is probably too expensive. However for information The 2010 version still has the "old" engine so the above applies. Getting Petrol to the carb consistently seems to be a problem as well. If you look at the 2010 and 2011 models the Carb "sits" flat or pointing downwards towards the back. The 2012 has it tilting down towards the cylinder. Some Bikes are more affected than others. Yamaha Scorpa. Seems to have had no major niggles beyond the usual Trials bike weaknesses but not many were really pushed hard. Engine is bullet proof but relatively big. Scorpa new. Not heard of anything but there aren't many around. Montesa 315R Good bike, those still around are pretty good The 4RT is probably out of your price range. Xispa. Again not much known. Those I have seen recently, and I use that word loosely are a bit tatty. To Finish Buy on Mechanical and General condition. A well used but well maintained bike at this sort of age will be better than one that has been sat around most of it's life. Has the owner kept up with wheel and suspension bearings. The Chain and Sprockets are replaced regularly. Gearbox oil still changed every month or so, Good Pre mix used etc. These may mean the bike does not look as good but rides better and will last. And Buy the one you LIKE riding. It's no good getting a Gasser ifyou prefered the Beta.

If it follows the last World round they held there I believe there will be camping at the Venue. I did spot a few Camp sites as we approached it as well so A quick look at the Local Tourist site should glean a few.

Andy Help!!!!

Nope 2012.

TrialsUK are posting that the Carlisle Nord Vue venue has the UK World Round for next Year. Looks like Graham Jarvis and DirtBike Action the same people that did the Round at Westwood.

Have you got one of those Storage Depots nearby?? Might be an alternative.

Basically it's down to you. If you are happy on the Sherco stick with it. As I said the commonality isn't there with the Beta 80 to the REV-3 and EVO's as the frame and cycle parts are different. The main thing with BETA is John Lampkin's especially if you are just starting out. You can contact them direct and they have a good reputation

Basically the REV50 was the first bike out and was very successful. A lot of youths between 2001 and 2006 used then to bridge the gap between Small wheels and C class. The REV/EVO80 followed the following year and had "full sized" wheels. The bikes are a little shorter than the "adult" bikes. The Picture is of an original 4 speed, in the original, (and best) colour scheme but with a Modified exhaust bracket. The later ones had modified exhaust brackets as the single mount proved vulnerable. As Kinell says the 50 was discontinued due to demand and engine supply issues. The original engine in the REV50 was replaced by a unit similar to that in the 80 with 6 speeds due to the Original 50 engine being discontinued by the maker. (Probably Minarelli). The new 50 was expensive and there was now a lot of second hand 50's so the market just wasn't there. Also the changes to the youth classes meant it would always be a bike that would only be used for a year or so. As for the other questions. Joe Faunthorpe has recently moved to a Big Wheel 80 and His Small wheel one was at TrialsUK but may already have been sold. The Beta REV-3 and EVO have little in common with the Smaller bikes as virtually everything is different. However they are good bikes in their own right with the REV being a dependable and stable bike. The EVO is a bike designed to Trick more. Still uses the same engines as the REV-3 but in a lighter frame. If you take a liking to anither make it shouldn't be a problem as the bikes are very different.