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Adults SE centre won followed by East Yorks and Yorks. Juniors Yorks Centre followed by East Yorks and South Ladies Yorks won. East Yorks second and SE third.

Rough Holden just above Silsden is also available. Details On Bradford's web site.

Looking at this post It seems you don't have much idea about Trials, who's involved and what they do. I'm finding your "insights" lacking and don't feel your posts are adding anything to the debate.

I thought the news was embargoed until Thursday. However I received the release last night for the website.

Nope Robin has left Appleyards.

See Yeadon Guiseley Website for details

Rather like League Football the top trials need income. At Grass roots you get in free although even there in Football and other sports admissions are being charged. I don't think the fees charged at BTC level are stupid. At Brimham it was a fiver a CAR. That's a

I'd say that they are not always (the best), and don't forget they also seem to be "selective" about who gets the 3 and who gets a 5. A name was dropped into the conversation who had a very "hesitant" ride and who got a 3 when the previous rider had fived the section with "less hesitation". I also follow my son aronud and have noticed similar "marking" and I do not discount some observers at YG Trials either. In fact one of these observers, (not YG), caused a section at a TSR22A section to be scrapped as they refused to mark correctly!!!

Robin Luscombe to Sponsor the ACU Youth and Sidecar Championships in 2010. See Yeadon Guiseley Website for details.

I noticed that John Dickinson at TMX had jumped on the "no-stop" bandwagon myself and have corrected him about the Yorkshire Centre Rules. The Clubs are split on which rules are run at their trials with YG, Bradford, Spen, West Leeds, Horsforth, Falcons, And Craven running TSR22A and Richmond, Wetherby, Ripon, BUMPY and Hillsborough running No-Stop. Centre Trials run to the Clubs preference. I also had a few words with a couple of "club" riders today who riding in West Yorkshire club Trials decided to try a few Richmond and Ripon Trials to try "no stop". Ripon only tend to run Novice beginners so they went and tried a few different Richmond Trials. The views were pretty consistant with most of the riders I have talked to previously. Mostly they found the Trials to be OK excepting that some sections were difficult to do without at least a hesitation or a grounded sump at which point they found they were fived. This would have been taken in good heart excepting that they noticed that some "local" riders seemed to get away with slightly more than that. This was pretty prevalent amongst the "older" observers. Hence as far as they are concerned they prefer the 22A rules. None of these riders could be called a "hopper" as they fall under the "older" rider category but they were keen to try "endos" and "hopping" to improve their scores and see it as useful in "No stop" as again some of the sections didn't take a "riding" approach. As for paying to watch Trials it does tend to show up Trials riders as stingy Gits again. How many riders never actually join more than one club then enter other clubs promising to pay the membership later, whinge at the

The Youth Nationals have a sponsor for 2010. See last thread entry.

One section on one trial? Like I have said BOTH rules work well and the rider has to choose the approach to a section. Again it comes down to C of C, Observers and Riders. The riders skilled in hopping hate 22B those who can't want 22B. In all cases I hear complaints where a course is either too easy or too hard. Most of those come from 22B trials where a section is near impossible to do without some sort of hesitation. Where a "hopper" does turn out for a 22B trial they pretty much still finish high up in the results. As for "front wheel turning" that approach will never work. It's a bit of a urban legend that the FIM tried a device that measured forward motion on the front wheel and Dougie "fived a section" by riding it clean on the back wheel with the front locked the brake.

Actually it is quite skilful. If you don't think it try it!!! The Trial was ruled that way so that's how they ride it!! One rider put it best at a Horsforth Trial after watching two riders through a section. One got the bike to a narrow rock ledge put out a foot and "swung" the bike round then rode off. The next got onto the ledge and feet up, stopped, bounced the bike into the air and turned it 90 degrees so the bike was in the right direction when it landed, then set off to complete the section for clean. Under the old 22A rules both would have got a one under 22B it would be a 1 and a 5. Which is more skilful and which is deserving of a clean ride??

That's one of the problems isn't it! Older riders want the "old" No-stop rules, the younger riders are happy with WTC/BTC rules. Yes you may bring in older riders again, but if the sections are too hard they disappear as quickly as they came back. As I stated before at most events in the West Yorkshire section of the Yorkshire centre WTC/BTC rules apply and numbers usually are pretty good. Here's the rub though. The biggest club entries come for the Novice/Beginners Trials. Even at venues that are generally unpopular they draw big numbers. The riders that do them like the nature of the courses and the variety of the sections. That says where the real growth is. The riders that do them see them as a good day out with no limb threatening bits. When NYL goes along to practice at them they love to watch him trying the "big stuff" and want to see the "tricks", but without feeling the need to do more than be a good motorcycle rider. Trials is a pretty inclusive sport that way.

Yep, 1 minute 30 seconds per section.

I'll re-iterate my previous remarks that both Versions of the rules work well when the course is setup for them. I do however feel that both can easily be taken the "p*** out of". Firstly on the stop course by riders going backwards or turning around. That should be stamped on. On the "No-Stop" course many proclaim that they "never stop" when they blatantly have. Even the best of them have done it, I know I've marked them!! Next on the difference's between the WTC/BTC and the Novogar/SSDT etc. We have a pretty healthy situation where 10 to 12 riders turnout for the premier class with 20-30 in the backup classes. Now this is the Pinnacle of the sport where Bou, Raga, Dougie and Dibs have spent years preparing for and in which we have up to 5 potential winners. The Novogar is supposedly a "Clubmans" championship on courses many clubs cannot find except for one weekend a year. So we have a 10-15 section trial run over 3 to four laps on a closed course against a trial with 20 to 40 sections run over 1 or 2 laps. It's rather like comparing F1 to the Le Mans Sportscar series. Both run similar rules but are completely different to watch!! However both can be won by a competent Driver. Most long endurance Trials have become "Enduros" and we all know the best Enduro pilots come out of Trials. The remaining long distance "Trials" are put together in such a way that a Trials Motorcycle can "last the course" and would have an advantage against a Enduro Motorcycle. Some would say they have an advantage anyway. In many ways a current F1 car would have a ball at Le Mans in a similar fashion. Basically we have two types of Trial. One is the Multi lap short course Trial that all riders go to every weekend. WTC/BTC emulate these but with course to test the best. The Novogar, SSDT and Scott are now Trials that most clubs could only ever put on once a year due to the work that has to be put into them. Because of this very Few clubs can run all types of Trials but every rider could run in every trial whichever rules they run.

So the C Of C makes the course tighter to "catch" riders and would you believe it people start complaining about the severity of the Trial and rider numbers drop off.

Both sets of rules are totally viable. The complaints I hear about "No-Stop" rules are always centred around trials that can only be ridden "no-stop" by the very best riders. Set out the Trial correctly for the rules you are applying and either works really well. The other problem is that as Riders everybody seems to want something slightly different. Some want trials where they only drop single figures and think it is a disaster to win a Trial on 20! Others love a "tough" trial where 40 or 50 are dropped by the winner. In the case of most Trials, good riders should be in the 20-50 bracket. That is some sections will be cleaned by the majority of riders others will pull marks from the "lesser" riders. At Brimham the Championship course did that. In the Experts A and B The course probably fell short of that ideal and I'm sure the C of C's will be looking at it for next years event. Both lads do a great job and indeed were out on the course working hard over the whole weekend and deserve congratulations for it. As regards popularity don't forget that Trials in Europe run Stop rules usually and it seems to be as popular as always. Trials is not TV "friendly" Like Rallying only the "top" and "Staged" events will make it to TV because of the logistics of covering a large, camera unfriendly area. The popularity of the sport is mainly down to the Riders and their families who at certain events find themselves riding against the best riders in the world rather that just watching them. This will continue to be a rarity rather than the norm though.

Sorry it wouldn't work. Dibs was one of the riders pushing for "stop" rules so I cannot imagine other such as Michael Brown etc would be inclined to go back either. Dougie is known for his support of the "stop" rule as well. It works well on the current course's. My Son and quite a few Yorkshire riders now refuse to enter Richmond, Wetherby and Ripon Trials as they cannot hop without risking a 5. Quite a few of them do win centre Trials as well so I don't foresee entries Increasing for pure "no-stop". In most cases the "club" route at the "stop" club Trials is set out so that they can be ridden rather than hopping. for those who can hop a bit the 50/50 is a popular choice. The best thing to do is give each set of riders what they want. As for Brimham I would concede that the course was too tough for many. However C 0f C's at these events are pushed to make the course tough for the top riders to get a worthy winner. On the Experts I know one of the c of c's was surprised at my section that so few had low marks and I believe they thought the conditions would be better making the sections "do-able". As for time it has to be watched. I had only two true out of time on my section (9), but some did run it close.

There were problems with the original PRO bikes but by 2005 they had been ironed out. They are very light bikes and the environment you use them in is pretty dirty so you do need to keep an eye on things like screw and Bolt tension, leaks, and bearings. Generally the ones we have had have been pretty reliable.

The problem is with the Surround on the fan. It basically touches the radiator at the top and bottom of the radiator and when the fans run and cause vibration in the cowl, it is known to gently rub away at the rad pipes. If you look at the radiator from the side you can see that the surround is fixed by one rivet each side. Looking at the top the plastic goes across the radiator to the other side. I have seen two fixes. The first is to remove a millimetre across the top and bottom of the cowl but leaving a Lip on the side that sits on the outside frame of the Radiator leaving a Gap across the tubes. The Other is to pull the fan cowl back and use two rivets on each side to fix the cowl just slightly back off the Radiator itself. The problem was pointed out to me by Mike Jennings who had one go on him due to the rubbing. He then worked out the "trimming" fix. I also know quite a few other Gas Gas riders who had the same problem. NYL's was modified about a month after we got it.

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Another Air Ambulance Program and more Trials riders been lifted out of nowhere. Just watch "Air Medic's" third episode "Stranded". Richmond Trial and Nigel Sharp stars!!!!! (Mind the pilots and nurses all refer to a "Trial" and the Prat script writer keeps referring to "Moto-x".) Available for the next three days on the BBC iPlayer.

Adding spice to the battle at the front of the British Championship Dougie Lampkin has a confirmed entry for Yeadon Guiseley's round of the British National Championship at Brimham Rocks. With James Dabil, Michael Brown and the fast improving Alex Wigg also riding it's a great lineup and should make for a fascinating battle in among the Rocks at Brimham. Cram in a car because it's only a fiver entry for a car all occupants included. PLEASE NOTE:- Margaret Carter has held the entry open until the 22nd of July due to postal disputes and riders may not appear on the official list due to this.

The Results from both days have now been posted on the Yeadon-Guiseley Website. My Apologies for the format but that's how they were supplied. You can't see how bad the course was in this format unfortunately. Still I can say that the section descriptions in TMX were badly flawed. The Rain had been intermittant but very heavy making the banks soft and slippy. The first section for example was new for this year and how both Jack Shepard and Richard Sadler escaped without wrist injuries I don't know. The slither down the banking to a 3 to four foot vertical drop onto a rocky stream bed was dangerous. Especially when the boulder in the bottom was taken into account. The observer on the section was also concerned that riders would go over the handlebars. Section 2 was last years section 1. Basically a large outlet pipe awaited once you were up the drainage channel. Only three riders made it last year which you thought should have told the C 0f C something about the section. This year most did the same as the rear wheel found no purchase if you landed on the sump leaving most riders either falling back or pushing like mad to a five as they "went backwards" or hit the marker tape/flags. Section 3 was supposedly "easy", (C of C's words), Most riders again failed it on their first lap. Section 4 was a goodish and passable section. Section 5 required the riders to ride up a steep bank. I believe the idea was to get to the mid point stop and turn to jump over a fallen tree. With the conditions the only way over was to go right at it at speed and jump. Jack Shepard managed it but failed when the section took the riders to the bottom of the bank and required them to get back up to the top again. This was the section that was eased on the next lap. I could continue but you get the idea. Most riders "managed" their rides to finish as cleans would be at a premium. Most of these sections had been used the previous year when it had been drier and had been pretty hard then. The Heavy rain turned them into a minefield. A fellow "Sponsor" was involved in a discussion with many of the observers at the end where they expressed concern about the sections and whether they would get a Youth round again. Even If they did would any but the top riders bother turning up? As a youth rider said Without the other riders there is no event.