pitley Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 (edited) Hi I have just bought a WES system for my majesty 250, and i am looking for a chrome front pipe to complete the job. Any one here know who sells these? I was told the miller ones fit but surley they would be for a standard yam twinshock, whereas i got a MK2 godden framed bike.. Any help appreciated Edited October 5, 2006 by pitley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy m Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 It makes sense that a Miller one will fit if you think about it. As when THEY built the Majesty Yams the original system was probably used, and will fit both bikes and the chrome Miller replacement item is a copy of the Yam part. If that makes sense. (I know what I am trying to say) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 The Miller pipe is made for the standard TY250. The engine in the Majesty is lifted in the frame and the front pipe was shortened in height to allow for this. I have one fitted to my Yam framed Majesty with a WES system. It wouldn't sit 'right' in that it was sloping downwards towards the rear silencer due to the increased height, therefore the silencer looked too low. Messing about with the mounting brackets got it somewhere right, although I hated the look of the rear silencer anyway so had a TY mono KATO one modded to fit. I've attached a picture of my mate's Yam framed Majesty and you can see the way the middle box is sloping rearwards due to the higher front pipe. You could always shorten the pipe and get it rechromed. Also, the WES system is made for the standard TY too, so you may find that the middle box doesn't fit snug into the frame as the frame tube from the footrest up to the tank is a different shape on the Godden from the TY frame. I had to put a slight indent in the back of mine to allow the silencer to sit in further on my Godden bike. Also, the Miller front pipe. It doesn't come with a collar to bolt to the manifold so you have to cut the old pipe to remove the original - or make your own new one. It is also a smaller diameter than the Yam one, so the Yam collar is a loose fit. This means that where the pipe fits up against the exhaust port it can move around in the collar, so it also takes a bit of fiddling to get it centered so that it doesn't blow. Strangely, my mate's Miller front pipe offered up to the exhaust port perfectly. When we compared them, his was a larger diameter than mine at the bottom so was more of a snug fit in the collar so I thought it must have come from a new redesigned batch. When I asked Millers about this they said the design hasn't changed in however many years and they are all the same.... (and no, I definitely haven't got a 175 pipe) So it will fit, it's just a bit of a fiddle but there are no alternatives on the market - so it's use the Miller one, use the old Yam front pipe and get it chromed if it's good enough, or get one made. Nothing straightforward with this old sh*t - I mean classic stuff, is there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Yes tell me about it ! to much ****ing about all the time buying stuff that dos'ent match up like it should! they should'nt sell these parts unless they bolt straight on with no messing! i've got the same wes system but now got to buy a front pipe to match! more expense then to learn that the bloody front pipe i'snt a good fit , cant anyone out there get things right! i orderd some oversized footrests for my majesty yam only to descover that theres no way to bolt the lower mount plate up as mines a 1980 early frame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I know what you mean as I've bought stuff before that doesn't fit, although to be fair in this case, the WES exhaust is for the standard bike, as is Miller's front pipe, neither is advertised for a Majesty - or at least they never used to be. Don't quite follow what you mean about the footrests as none of the 250 bikes had bolt on plates, only the smaller bikes. Don't really want to get off Pitley's original topic, but if you have Yam framed Majesty you can adapt it to take bolt on plates for footrest brackets as follows. Cut off original footrest brackests, drill a hole into the stub that's left and tap to 8mm. At the bottom of the frame/rear of bashplate, there is an open ended tube (can be seen in the picture I posted) Weld in some solid bar, drilled and tapped to 8mm. You now have two mounting points to bolt on footrest plates to which you can weld the footrest hanger brackets. If you have a Godden frame then you don't have the tube at the bottom of the frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitley Posted October 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) Thanks chaps Reason why i posted this was i can see the original front pipe has been cut and rewelded when the motor was moved up in the frame. My Majesty has 13 &half ground clearance, whereas the TY250 had about 11 so theres no way that pipe of millers will fit tidy on my godden without cutting it. The flange story i heard before, a mate got a front pipe for his 175 and was pi--ed off to find he had to make the flange for the port! Off to pipeline centre to see if theres any stainless dairy tube of similar size n make one so it wont be wrong then!! Scottie, stick with it cause they are a cracking bike to ride Edited October 6, 2006 by pitley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesgamble Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) Hi there Pitley. Can I ask where you sourced the WES system? Also does the mid-section on the WES system have mounts for the TY heat shield/grill or will you have to fangle something? My 1981 Godden framed 250 will need a new exhaust as part of its rebuild. I was going to use the Miller header pipe but after reading this thread I think I'll just make my own. Is there any thing special about the WES end can? I thought they look quite bulky so I was hoping to use a smaller one off a 125 or 250 'crosser. Any thoughts/advice? Good luck finishing the project . Can't wait to see some pics Cheers Les Edited October 6, 2006 by LesGamble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 WES system should be available from any of the major trials dealers or the twinshock specialists. There are no mountings for the heat shield, you'll have to weld some on, or, I made my own middle box for my Majesty and until I got some mounts welded on, used a couple of zip ties. They're still there nearly 12 months later.... I also used a KX80 tailpipe at one stage and it sounded and worked ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 woody i bought the foot rest assy from some guy from up north, he said to grind off the original peg mounts then bolt the bracket using the s/arm pivot bolt (top) then screw a bolt into the lower hole (the chassis tube that runs straight through) but theres no thread there? ill have to weld a nut in each side to sort this ,they look like they'll line up ok! i should have just bought a alloy tail pipe from millers and bolted it straight to the original middle pipe(to much bloody hassle cutting front pipes to match,oh well you live and learn? when got my yam framed majesty (250) the gearing was well to high 12/41 ive now got a 10 front but whats the best gearing 11/45? also im going to get it back to std colour yellow but what about the left side panel did they ever come in yellow or do you have to spray a white one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitley Posted October 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Les i went over to Brecon 30 miles away where the WES pipes are made, got it direct. Their number is 01874 623030 As woody says theres no lugs for the heat sheild As for the tail pipe i think i can live with it, and no i havent tried any other.. Will post some pics when its done. Riding and developing it at the mo so dont hold yer breath for pics Good luck with yours les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitley Posted October 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Scotty I got 10 41 on my bike it works a treat, when i bought it it had 11 44 which was fine too. Only reason for change was the supplier only had these sizes at the time and i needed then asap.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Sidepanel was always white. The only part of the bike that was yellow was the frame, heatshield and the tank on the early bikes. If any were around with yellow sidepanel I would guess they were painted. Couple of pics of an early bike that was reckoned to be a Shirty prepped machine. Solid tank stripes as per the early model instead of speed blocks, shirty silencer and what looks like a larger diameter front pipe. May be an illusion due to being chrome but definitely looks larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I might leave mine as is at the mo, its white tank/side panel with yamaha blue (re indigo) frame ? looks nice will try and get some pics up soon! when i bought this bike john cane rebuilt the engine and said it had a majesty 320 flywheey fitted as it was very shiny silver???? but after buying a supposed 1978 std 250 one on ebay i weighed both and were identical? 6lb/6oz i think? i wanted a std re lighter one as the bike seemed a bit sluggish and would'nt rev quick enough? but i may put this down to the raised gearing mentioned above! 1nd/2nd gears would've been like using 3rd and 4th in the sections, no wonder most stuff i had to use mainly 1st!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Never heard of a 320 flywheel. As far as I know they all use the standard TY flywheel which comes with a detachable weight which is a heavy steel ring fitted to the outside. It is held on by 4 screws around the circumference. If yours has this fitted try the bike with it removed as it will pick up quicker without it. The 250 was always lacking torque though, unless modified, but I suspect that most had pretty much standard TY motors. I had a Godden framed 250 years ago and it was gutless, the motor, which was not knackered, was just like the standard TY250. 1st gear everywhere. If it was on any kind of incline and I had to back off, the motor wouldn't pick up again in anything other than bottom. Gearing was standard, not too high. It's all down to personal choice of course but I always prefer the bigger motor for the extra torque. They can always be de-tuned or softened off. Mine is very docile, I can do clutch out full lock circles in 3rd, but it will pull like a train in any gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Woody l agree the 250 does seem gutless, i took my reedvalve beamish out with the majesty and rode them back to back up some sections! the beamish could easily do anything the majesty could!!! i paid top money for my majesty thinking that there the ultimite twinhock? im not convinced now , my mate was weve me (he rides trials) and reckond the beamish was a better package much nicer to ride??? wish id not bother'd with it, but spent to much on it now? oh well!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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