jordi Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 "Res ipsa loquitur" as they say.......................the facts speak for themselves! I dont need to smash myself and my bike to pieces on the modern type sections common in the "traditional" series, to know there are very good reasons for such low levels of support from riders of older machinery! You are having a laugh...... seems you have a reason to put the series down, care to share it with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikespace Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 "Res ipsa loquitur" as they say.......................the facts speak for themselves! I dont need to smash myself and my bike to pieces on the modern type sections common in the "traditional" series, to know there are very good reasons for such low levels of support from riders of older machinery! and I quote: ..........looking at the both points of view, would it not be far more positive to set aside the petty back biting and bickering, and for everyone to work together to further the future of the sport .............. Hmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitley Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) As usual, you've not answered any questions asked of you and diregarded what has been said.The modern bikes are in because there aren't enough Pre65/twinshock bikes - we all know that. There may be numerous reasons for this but one reason it ISN'T is because the sections are put on for modern bikes. THEY AREN'T. I've got a good idea. Get your 340 Majesty out, if you've got one, go and enter some Sammy Miller rounds and Traditional rounds and make your own mind up after experiencing them for yourself instead of spouting ill-informed drivel. Hey woody I had the misfortune to have to listen to the same sort of talk from a bloke who i met at a trial last year. He seemed to talk a good job and go on about the classic series as too may modern classes blah blah f***in blah, then he signs on the EASY ROUTE and continues to drop a load of marks. Cant remember his name but he rode some sort of fantic twinshock, and eveywhere he went you could smell bullsh*t..... Edited March 28, 2008 by pitley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee harris Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 (edited) The germans run the D-Cup series here. Its run over 8 weekends, with a trial each on saturday and sunday. (Last sunday is fun only and does not count as the awards are made on the saturday nite) To be included in the final standing you must ride more than half, ie 8 days or 8 trials There are both pre 65 and twin shock with pre 65 split also into unit, pre-unit and two strokes. Each trial has 4 routes. Green is easy, red is clubman, white is for specialist and yellow for expert. There are points awarded from 35 downward. If there are 10 riders in the yellow class, the 35 to 25 points are awarded there. If there are 10 riders in the white class then 24 to 15 points go there and so on. Also everybody gets 1 point if they finish. At the end of the series, 13 trials, the points are added up. There is some more work in setting up as we need gate arrows for green, red, white and yellow but everybody gets a ride to their abaility, people can change classes through the season and its reet fun. Any help for your dliema? Lee Edited March 28, 2008 by Lee Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickymicky Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 You are having a laugh...... seems you have a reason to put the series down, care to share it with us? It certainly looks that way Majestyman, i reckon youve got some pretty cruel 'mates' topping you up with duff info... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 The problem we have with this topic Lee, is the fact that the person being most vocal and carping on about how badly organised and incorrectly formatted this championship is, doesn't actually ride in any of the events. Any comments made aren't from personal experience of riding the events themselves, so the comments about section severity and unsuitability for twinshocks are ill-informed, inaccurate and B*****ks. So come on Majestyman340, you ignored previous requests, so here's another opportunity to say which events you've competed in and which you thought were laid out for modern bikes Something you continually overlook is the fact that the Miller series doesn't have that many Pre65/twinshock entrants eiither - is that because those events are laid out for modern bikes too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinshockdude Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 do i detect a bit of frustration creeping in dave ? the world is full of two types of people, those who do and those who talk. no point in wasting your breath on the latter !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 No, not a chance mate, more important things in life to get frustrated over - like getting my Ossa to run properly.... Just trying to see whether someone can back up their repeated rantings with hard facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickymicky Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 do i detect a bit of frustration creeping in dave ? the world is full of two types of people, those who do and those who talk.no point in wasting your breath on the latter !!! Professional Moaners, as i call them are often members of several different forums- often quite diverse. Once found out they simply concentate their efforts on another forum. As i write this theres probably a gardening forum somewhere, where they are all being told all their plants are going to die of a horrible disease... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 As i write this theres probably a gardening forum somewhere, where they are all being told all their plants are going to die of a horrible disease... Oh my God! My Geraniums!!!!!! Big John (I don't have a single flower in my garden!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest majestyman340 Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 At the risk of being shot down in flames once more by those who feel that a national series of events that seemingly caters for only around 20 regular participants on brit specials and twinshocks, is to be regarded seriously, maybe I could make a suggestion? It seems to me that these events are just not difficult enough to take many marks from the top twinshock and brit special guys, and are laid out primarily for the majority of entrants who ride modern bikes, which may be be the main reason why there are now so few entrys from twinshock riders and I dont think any at all from P65 types. So why not attach a Brit Classic championship class onto the Novagar events, which would be open to any type of twinshock machine, run on a single route format, with 2 classes Brit twinshock, and non Brit twinshock? This would mean appropriately challenging type sections for the current top guys in the "traditional" series, and allow the introduction of a properly thought out 3 route format in the traditional events, which would very likely increase entries substantially, and make the events a lot more enjoyable for a lot more riders? In a re-vamped traditional series you could have 3 main classes; Modern, Twinshock, P65...............anyone riding non standard or special bikes would be obilged to ride in the next class up, which would mean rider ability and not the fact someone might have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikespace Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) So why not attach a Brit Classic championship class onto the Novagar events, which would be open to any type of twinshock machine, run on a single route format, with 2 classes Brit twinshock, and non Brit twinshock? I tell you what if you miserable old buggers can't keep your own championship supported and free of arguments, then don't even suggest trying to bring your whinging to another championship. The Novogar is in no way related to your classic championship. There were 130 riders at the Lomax last week, (and incidentally at least one of those was on a twinshock so it is possible). I've always fancied taking a 240 round some of the Novogar rounds. But i digress. "IF" the Novogar needs to boost entries (which a lot of them don't) then they could possibly add a route for the lower clubman riders - not something I agree with as I believe it needs to stay rideable by the majority of good to average centre riders, like the Lomax (and our Mid Wales Novogar in my view). If the routes separate the top route inevitably gets harder. The Novogar allows us to use some rivers and streams that we just can't use for most of our trials because we can't get the kids, novices and old folks anywhere near them. We cater for 4 routes in all of our trials - Our Novogar is special because we go where we want - some classic sections which we'd have to miss to cater for lesser riders (not lesser machines - as I said I'd do most of our sections on a big Majesty or Fantic 240 without too much fear of denting it.) If you want to sort your classic championship out, get together with one of your local clubs and run a round of the traditional. Advertise it at the level you're talking about and if it's successful, you'll surely drive the way the championship goes. I do believe you still need to cater for the better riders on the twinshock machines. The bikes your riding are my era, I ride the expert route normally, I don't turn in to a complete spastic when I swing my leg over a twinshock. Inevitably it makes me slightly less able, but not to the level that you seem to be talking about for the classic. Normal Inter sections and most of the Novogar are still possible. Plenty of others at the same level, the way Woody throws his tank around (no offence Woody) I think he would class himself in the same category. I've already digressed - summary - Leave the bloody Novogar out of this - it sounds like you're nowhere near it. Edited March 29, 2008 by bikespace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilc0 Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 I don't know. Majestyman340, is your other hobby Fishing by any chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 Riders of twinshock and Pre 65 often think that Europe is some sort of utopia for classic trials when certainly in France, it is not. It is assumed that the events here are bigger and better supported with an abundance of trials to choose from. I would suggest there is an average of one big trial per month, and this is possibly the only chance to ride a classic trials bike either pre 65 or twinshock, very very seldom do modern trials cater for the above so to ride you have to travel and thus the trials are well supported. Every weekend in England, centre trials cater for classic bikes and you can ride every week if you so wish, there is no need to travel the length and breath of the Uk just to give your bike an outing, you are almost spoilt for choice... I am not sure if this helps the present discussion but riding in France compared to England, National championships etc is not easy as the whole situation is different. Salut et Bon weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy m Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) Majestyman340 you are still not answering Woodys question. Edited March 29, 2008 by bo drinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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