nigel dabster Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 no its not............. the airbox was full of crap after every ridei went from gas gas to beta, and wont go back, but you need to try the bikes, It isn't true the airboxes are very good if sealed properly when new, most rubbish gets in when washing. To say they are full of crap every ride again is blatatly untrue, have you never ridden a dry trial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovis Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 It isn't true the airboxes are very good if sealed properly when new, most rubbish gets in when washing.To say they are full of crap every ride again is blatatly untrue, have you never ridden a dry trial? i dont want to argue with you but, my freinds airbox needed cleaning everytime it was used, how you can say this is untrue as you dont know him puzzles me he is on a beta now and happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 i dont want to argue with you but, my freinds airbox needed cleaning everytime it was used, how you can say this is untrue as you dont know him puzzles mehe is on a beta now and happy Ahh so it wasn't your airbox like mine was mine, as I said before numbnuts if you ride a dry trial it wouldn't get crap in it then anyway?!? Also if it was your friends had he sealedit properly to start with? You don't know the real answer to these cos it aint your bike yet you cast a shadow on the make based on "your friend". Gas Gas is a great bike and may well be the best thing for this guy to buy, a beta, as shown at Sheffield, is not always perfect. It may well be that he would do better with a beta, but only he can tell. Once he has tried both will he know, and the reliabilty or heresay lack of it shouldn't be a deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozza321 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 my air box was still clean from 5 trials ago on my gasser... air filter was fine too... i went from a beta to a gasser, i would never got back to a beta because it was heavy and awkward. fozz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hop blip and a jump Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) I've had 7 gassers and 6 betas, and the pro gassers need the airbox off more often for cleaning than the betas, they just get full of crap if you ride in mud and water.. end off! and the 02 pro was junk! Edited January 5, 2008 by hop blip and a jump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan williams Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 the brake has been bled, loads of pressure in the lever but just doesnt grip the disc, tried new pads, roughing up the disc etc but no luck, got a new disc on the way which will sort it hopefully.at the end of the day, the gasser is a competitive machine so im sure ill get used to riding it to my fullest, its just mechanical things i would be worried about mostly. i know alot of people slate gassers for falling to bits but as far as im aware this was just in the early pro models and it seems to have tainted the name. is this true or are they all still falling apart? Thanks for the replies. Tom You might have a contaminated disk which will make a pad swap at best a short term solution. You might want to swap pads at the same time you swap the rotor. One of the tricks I learned here from Ron Commo is to drag the front brake until it's hot and then pour water on it. I think this purges contaminates from the pad and rotor. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Remember GasGas and Beta are all using second source brake components and swapping brands for something like this may not do you much good. As for reliability they both have their peccadillos. Ride both to get a feel of engine characteristics and handling. Those as well as dealer support are reasons to choose a machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancsvet Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 It isn't true the airboxes are very good if sealed properly when new, most rubbish gets in when washing.To say they are full of crap every ride again is blatatly untrue, have you never ridden a dry trial? Totally agree with you there Dabster, my 07 250 pro is over twelve months old now and the air box has never been off nor is it likely to need to come off. I ride in the northern centre and its not exactly dry up here. I've had a few Gassers and and they have improved considerably , definately up with the Betas now and before any body starts I've had those as well, also a very good bike, I just prefer riding the Gasser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovis Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Ahh so it wasn't your airbox like mine was mine, as I said before numbnuts if you ride a dry trial it wouldn't get crap in it then anyway?!? like if you go out and its not raining you wont get wet? man.......... you one clever dude, as i said i dont want to argue about it, (personaly i could'nt give a fork) my freind got rid of the gas gas cos he was fed up with the crap in the airbox. he has been riding 30+ years and has had loads of bikes. HTH Edited January 5, 2008 by hovis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 like if you go out and its not raining you wont get wet?man.......... you one clever dude, as i said i dont want to argue about it, (personaly i could'nt give a fork) my freind got rid of the gas gas cos he was fed up with the crap in the airbox. he has been riding 30+ years and has had loads of bikes. HTH If you don't want to argue why do you keep doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham2 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 It isn't true the airboxes are very good if sealed properly when new, most rubbish gets in when washing.To say they are full of crap every ride again is blatatly untrue, have you never ridden a dry trial? Is his the decisive question/answer.....................The water -flap-valve-doo-dahh....do you leave it?????? or seal it?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Is his the decisive question/answer.....................The water -flap-valve-doo-dahh....do you leave it?????? or seal it?????? Ialways put mx sponge in the bottom and left the flap working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozza321 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Ialways put mx sponge in the bottom and left the flap working. mine has that, the airfilter is still mint from 5 trials ago, not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalley250 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Ive just hung my air filter box on the window, it makes for a great window garden box. Wonder what grows init come spring. Must say i am amazed the bike does not get crap in the carb so the filter seems to work well regardless to the poor airbox design. I never remember ty 175 ,Fantic 245 or Aprilla climbers having the issues so the seat access is really the problem i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis_gasgas Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 they are obviously a good design if no crap gets to the car must say iv checked and checked my airbox after practice and the air filters not even dirty and anything that gets in goes on that tray they have which is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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