spud Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 (edited) Doug is improving on the 2stroke. There could never be any doubt he would start a little shakey getting used to the Beta, but as he becomes more confident so his scores would improve. He was in striking range of Bou's score in Japan, and this is the postion where he left off with Montesa. I still think he will improve and could get his 100th win on the 2stroke - I really do hope he gets his 100th win. Edited June 2, 2008 by spud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 why even bother your not admin your and idiot Please leave the administration of these Forums to the Administrators and leave out the name-calling. The OP is not an "idiot". His intentions were good, but this isn't about Beta, this misguided topic is about Dougie Lampkin so is correctly posted in this Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgshannon Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I don't think that anyone is questioning his ability... His history, and record, speaks for itself, so no question there. But, I was puzzeled by the switch back to the 2-stroke, after years of developing 4-stroke skills, on the Montesa. Switching in either direction is tough, but to go backward seemed strange. Then, it became obvious that what was really being said was that the Beta 4-stroke just isn't good enough for WTC yet. From a marketing standpoint, that is a tough message to send. Seemed like all the more reason you would want a seasoned Montesa veteran to ride, and further develop, the Beta 4-stroke. So now, we are to believe that with some more development, Dougie will once again switch back to 4-stroke? Just as Montesa had to endure the public eye, as they developed and refined their 4-stroke, I was expecting Beta to do the exactly the same, with Dougie's move. Have to say I was disappointed by the failure to do so. It just seems as if that would have been a much more intellegent marketing decision. Even more so now, as hindsight reveals performance to date, on the 2-stroke, has not been jaw dropping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinell Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Switching in either direction is tough, but to go backward seemed strange. The move to Beta was a step backwards or going from a 4t to a 2t? Then, it became obvious that what was really being said was that the Beta 4-stroke just isn't good enough for WTC yet. It's good enough for Jordi Pasquet to ride it in WTC events, maybe Doug said "Develop the 4t with JP and I'll ride it when it's ready for me" So now, we are to believe that with some more development, Dougie will once again switch back to 4-stroke? Just as Montesa had to endure the public eye, as they developed and refined their 4-stroke, I was expecting Beta to do the exactly the same, with Dougie's move. Have to say I was disappointed by the failure to do so. It just seems as if that would have been a much more intellegent marketing decision. Even more so now, as hindsight reveals performance to date, on the 2-stroke, has not been jaw dropping. Doug switching to the 4t are just rumours at the moment, it might happen, it might not. Why would Beta want to follow what Honda/Montesa did anyway? It doesn't make sense to use your best rider in a development role (especially if he's in his last years at the very top). Beta along with Doug & Co. would have have wanted the best possible chances at the earliest point in time, not in 3, 6 or 12 months - I certainly don't think their decision was a bad one, as his results to date might well have been worse on the 4t. Honda did it but they could afford the risk, as they had Doug, Fuji and Freixa (?) at the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinell Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 ... and there was no choice in the matter, Honda went 4 stroke completely with no 2 stroke available. Am I right in saying that Dougie never won a world championship on the 4rt? He lost to Fuji in 2004, which ended his continuous run... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgshannon Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 The move to Beta was a step backwards or going from a 4t to a 2t? 4T to 2T. He has already developed the 4T skills, and was stepping backwards to awaken 2T skills, rather than apply well honed 4T skills, to the development of the Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinell Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 4T to 2T. He has already developed the 4T skills, and was stepping backwards to awaken 2T skills, rather than apply well honed 4T skills, to the development of the Beta. Timing issue then, the Beta 4t still in development but the start of the season right round the corner and no time to waste trying to get the bike right in the 1st year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizza5 Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 4T to 2T. He has already developed the 4T skills, and was stepping backwards to awaken 2T skills, rather than apply well honed 4T skills You talking about Phil Alderson here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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