hondars250 Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Hi New to this forum, just like to warn anyone who is bidding or thinking of bidding on the so called original RS250 on ebay as far as I can tell the only things original is the frame and that looks dodgy, the forks and tank also the hubs. The frame looks like a Mike Whitlock one, could tell if had photo of head stock. hope this helps if someone thinks they are getting an original. When I sus this out I will post a photo of mine which is original 100% down to the rubber honda badge on the rear mud guard. Thanks for reading hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinf Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I had a laugh at that one last week. It's about as original Trigger's broom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinm Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Presumably, you are talking about this one Having read the desciription about 5 times.....is it being sold by an Ex World Champion ???? If so, who do we think is is.....my guess would be someone originally from Finland !! Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honda pants Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Also is it a tlr 250 motor and sump plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beamish owners club Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 The seller ins quite emphatic that it is not a TLR250 but seems reluctant to say what the engine and frame numbers are or are prefixed with.... sure doesn't look like a RS bash plate. Is there such a model as the RST250? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondars250 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 He emailed me and said it's a TLR engine and the previous owner still has the frame number tag and is trying to get it back!! I think the previous owner has had his trousers down. If you look at the rear mud guard frame were the loop used to be it seems very neat and tidy, and has a slight kick in it which is exactly the same as the Mick Whitlock frame. And as for the RST250 he could have made it up just for fun?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerroger Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Frame looks genuine - don't think a Whitlock frame has the tag for the clutch cable. Would want to know the engine number before parting with that much money. Anyone care to guess the reserve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honda pants Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 The seller could be a Paul Si++ons an ex grasstrack or speedway rider, but it is defo a Mick Whitlock Frame and a tlr 250 motor, hope this can shed some light on this bike. So it's not a RS250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondars250 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Totally agree the clutch clip that rogerroger mentioned is on the engine plate and could be off anything. All i hope is no one gets stung with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motomike Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Just for the record The frame is definately 100% NOT made by Mick Whitlock, It is an original Honda made RS250TF frame with the rear loop removed,the reason the rear looks like a Whitlock frame is quite simple,it was trimmed back by Mick Whitlock, and it is a 250 frame not a 200, (there is a difference !) And the seller who built the bike is not called Paul ?, but he was one of the best Grass Track riders of his era . It looks like he built the bike based on a similar style /spec to the Yamamoto works bike in the Honda museum, which ended up with a later motor in it. I dont know what you would call it, a RS special ,or works rep maybe ? Please take this as fact as far as the frame is concerned ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondars250 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Still not convinced the only way to clarify it would be to see a picture of the head stock. For the record I'm building a RS special based on the Yamamoto with a RTL engine in it not a TLR. The frame in question has no frame number plate with it so it all seems a bit sus to me and I would'nt touch it with a barge pole. Also for the record everything I've said has come from Malcolm the seller with the exception of the frame but we will know what it really is when he posts the photo of the head stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beamish owners club Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Just for the record The frame is definately 100% NOT made by Mick Whitlock, Please take this as fact as far as the frame is concerned ! I take it you sold him the frame to him or were with Mick Whitlock when it was altered then Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motomike Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 I take it you sold him the frame to him or were with Mick Whitlock when it was altered then Mike? Jim I have had this frame in my hands prior to it being powder coated, as you know I have a Whitlock made frame, and have owned several Honda made RS models 200 and 250 so do know the difference I even know the frame no ! It starts RS250TF - 12?? Jim ,it is a genuine Honda made frame, with the rear loop removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honda pants Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Well for what it is worth we Northern RS owners are not happy with Southern sculldugary!!!! Is it possible the previous owner was Paul Daniels and i am sure before that he bought it off Tommy Cooper, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beamish owners club Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Thanks for clearing that up Mike, though you did make it sound a bit like a witness statement! No further questions m'lud! MartinM - did the guy actually say he was a trials ex-world champion? If fact he is non-specific on that point so it could be tiddlywinks and he would still be telling the truth! Honda Pants - how rude! Some of us Southerner RS owners are nearly as straight as a donkey's hind leg! Whatever the bike is, let's hope it operates as a proper trials bike and the new owner is happy with it ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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