carni026 Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 i recently got this 2001, 315r montesa, i bleed the clutch well, and backbleed it too etc, the cylinder works well ( i checked it with the cover off, and it actually works) but the clutch doesnt engage well, when i pull the lever the gear keeps going unless i get it into neutral, shouln't it stop going when you press the clutch?, as if it was into neutral?the previus owner told he never did an oil change. as soon as i had it home i change oil and changed the friction plates, but i left out 1 friction plate and 1 steel plate, because the new friction plates(i believe they are from a honda CR250) are thicker than the stock ones and did not fit all together into the basket, and i used 85w gear oil. it didn't seem to work right so i changed the oil again( and again, oil came out like chocolate, and had just been on for about 10 min), and i selected the best friction plates from the ones it had, and combined with the new plates(the ones from a honda CR250) and this time i used ATF 10-30(it makes lots of smog), now when i'm in gear and pull the clutch it idles (but still does NOT neutralizes the gear), and even turns off unless i gas it. i have not use the bike for over 10 min in either case, because the clutch thing won't let my mind in peace. not only are the new friction plates(from a honda CR250) made of different materials, but also the stock plates have some half circles cuts in some of the notches and have a writing in them KA4 FP 4 and KA4 FP3. i wondered if they mean something or go in ANY ORDER? i know these bikes have drag problems etc, but i also read that apico steel plates help a lot, im about to go for them but they are 40 us $, and the friction plates from apico are 110 us$, so before i get those can anyone tell me if that will help at all??? or should i just change oil again. maybe even put back the old friction plates, which by the way seem to be the same from 2001, execpt for 3 or four, which looked newer. all opinions are welcome!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherry Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 OK, couple of questions. Why did you start changing the plates in the first place? Do I understand you to say it puts out a lot of smoke when you put the ATF in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carni026 Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 well, i decided to change the plates because the clutch was not working, the previous owner said that. and yes, first time i changed the oil to the 85w gear oil it did not make smoke, now that i've change the oil to the 10-30w automatic transmission fluid it throws out lots of smoke. but that its not my primary problem, MY PROBLEM is how to make the clutch work, will apico steel plates work with the old friction plates (which most of them are done, except for 3 of them which are either different or newer, while the rest are all done.i can put back the old friction plates togheter with the stock steel plates, but im sure they won't work, as the owner toldme they didnt work, i can leave it as it is now with the 3 old plates that looked the newest, and the rest are the new friction plates from a CR250, but know it dont work either, because i rode it like this and its not yet working well, though it is improving, its way easier to find neutral, but now the PROBLEM IS that it IDLES or even DIES when im in gear and pull the clutch, and it wont stop the gear. hopefully, the problem is not my gearbox, can anyone figure out what the problem is? anyone runned into simillar problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil king Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 you need to leave out 2 plates. The CR has 7 the 315 only has 5 plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carni026 Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 wow, i never though that before, i will try this tonight see how it works out bro, THANK YOU ill let you know how it turned out tomorrow, or maybe later when i finish the job. thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samandkimberly Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I had a recent conversation with Adrian at Lewisport about the Apico steel plates. His opinion was that the steels *might* help, but that, unless the steels were warped, he'd go with replacing the friction plates first. He convinced me to buy a set of Surflex plates (99usd) and I have not regretted it; after a hard day's riding my clutch still works better than it ever did. For reference, here's what I tried to fix my sticky clutch, in this order: Changed oil from whatever was in it when I bought it to Golden Spectro gear oil - a step backwards. replaced with Dextron VI oil - noticeable improvement, but still couldn't find neutral w/o stopping the bike. Sanded all the metal plates. This worked absolutely great - for about an hour. Then, back to same old same old. put Surflex plates in. When I did, the metals still looked sanded. For this reason, I'm not positive that the dimpled finish of the Apico steels alone will do a lot. As I said, the problem is now gone, clutch feels great. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carni026 Posted September 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 i will try it as soon as i can start it thanks man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carni026 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 all riiighttt im very happy now cause my 315r finally starrtttted... eae ae ae ae a, now i will make sure my clutch is working well, because i just changed the oil, and the friction plates so i will warm it up and hope it works, otherwise i will definitely go for those Surflex plates(bye the way i get these at lewisport?), as of today im still using some of the old plates and some of the new ones, but when im in 1st gear it turns off even with the entire clutch inn, anyways ill see how everything turns out. thank you all!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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