jeffchri Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) I'm trying to figure ot which 4-stroke to get, so the Monty 4RT, and Beta and Sherco offerings are all on the table. I'm not new to motos - I have dualsport bikes, dirt bikes, sportbikes, etc. and have ridden them all quite a bit - but more or less new to trials (e.g. I'd enter novice). I actually owned a 4RT for awhile and quite liked it - mellow with enough powr and I got to the point I could do reasonably controlled wheel lifts, but never reall got to actually going over logs/rocks/whatever ... so yes, newbie. Would the 3.2 be too "aggressive" for me? The local dealer has a 2009 on the floor for $7k, and it's looking awfully tempting, compard to the hassle of finding a used Monty, the cost/hassle of getting a new one, or tracking down someone who actually sells the Beta ... Edit: and oh yeah, what is the noise level like on the 3.2? And is it/would it feel lighter than an '05 4RT? Edited January 5, 2010 by jeffchri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbeta23 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Hi, To be honest mate for a begginer a Sherco 320 4t would definatly be to aggresive, i have had a go on a 2008 version & i struggled a lot with it, a great bike just to powerful (well for me), it feels lighter than a 4RT but harder to control & probably noiser. a 4RT or a Beta Rev 4t/Evo 4t would be better really, there easier to ride & to control, I would reccomend the Beta Rev 4/Evo 4t which are really nice to ride. Try & get a few test rides on different bikes, see what you like the most! Good Luck Mate. Edited January 5, 2010 by GasGasben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtlr Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Hey, i have my 3.2 now for a year and a half and i would advise you NOT to buy this bike, it is to powerfull and to agressive for a novice, and it is a very exhausting bike to ride its lighter than the mont but it pulls so hard that you get tired verry fast and you will not be in control of the bike. i guess the beta 250 4 stroke or the scorpa 163 cc are the best 4 strokes for newbies regards bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 You'll be alright...just stick an OKO 24mm Carb on her and you'll turn her into a kitten. So if you know about engines and it's the right deal....go for it!! Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 You'll be alright...just stick an OKO 24mm Carb on her and you'll turn her into a kitten.So if you know about engines and it's the right deal....go for it!! Best of balance. Neo All that and a block of wood to limit her to about 1/2 throttle and you should be fine and sweet! Use the pocket knife to whittle away the block as you get better! Has anyone tried an inlet restricter plate on one? That is what NASCAR does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimw Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Had one for 12 months, loved it and hated it. However unless you are prepared to put some work in on softening the power I wouldn't recommend it to a beginner/new novice. The main problem is that it is very tiring to ride - the suspension is nice ,it is lighter than a mont but can be temperamental . You have to stay on top of it otherwise it will lead you astray - and not in a good way...... I'd go for the Beta - much more forgiving. Cheers Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpa4banger Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Hi mate Id suggest having a go on all the models that you can... My old man has a repsol 4rt, i've had a scorpa sy250F 4stroke, ive ridden an 08 sherco 320 and have ridden a stock 07 beta 4stroke and also an 08 300 beta 4stroke with a factory race cam .. For me I found that the 320 sherco had abit of a flat spot like the scorpa and was simular in power and was rather tiring to ride.. but handled better than the scorpa but had an annoying ticking noise and was by far the hardest to start. The 4rt has always been the most versatile and the best built but the most expensive.. easy to ride and you can customize the power to suit your riding style more than all the other bikes but is also seems heavier to ride than the the beta and sherco but on par with the scorpa. The beta 250 was abit lacking in grunt from what I could work out .. maybe the evo model has more power but yeah wasnt all that fun to ride.. seemed lighter to ride than all the other 4 stroke bikes and abit more nimble which would again be improved in the evo frame. The beta 300 was by far the most powerful 4stroke has a mountain of power especially in 2nd and 3rd gear and was enough to put a big smile on everyones face who got to ride it .. and also was light and easy to start.. someone I know did say that the evo 300 didnt come with the race cam and had less power but the new frame improved the handling as you would expect from an evo. thats just my 2 cents.. all in all i've gone back to a 2 stroke evo 250 after having a few scorpa 2 strokes as well and I must say the 4 stroke bikes are good for a lap or two but the take some effort to ride .. 2 stokes are a lot easier to learn moto trials on and also the benefits gained from riding a 4 stroke dont really benefit a beginner anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micm Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 NO. The 320 Sherco is not a beginners bike, no matter how many other bikes you may have owned. They are for experts, collectors and fit nutters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 All that and a block of wood to limit her to about 1/2 throttle and you should be fine and sweet!Use the pocket knife to whittle away the block as you get better! Cope, I find this feedback somewhat confusing considering you were singing the praises of an OKO24 on the 2T and 4T only a few weeks ago? Jeff, either way let us know what you decided? Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtlr Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 i just fitted a jitsie DB killer a lot less noisy and a bit softer on lower revs (i'm running the racing exhaust) regards bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Cope, I find this feedback somewhat confusing considering you were singing the praises of an OKO24 on the 2T and 4T only a few weeks ago? Jeff, either way let us know what you decided? Best of balance. Neo Fact is, I really do not know the best way to limit the power on the 4T! Limiting the throttle is one way, the 24 OKO will smooth it , but if anything like my 2.9 there is ultimatly still lots of power, only limits the very top. I kinda wish Bob would toy with the inlet restricter idea to see what happened down at about 19-20mm. I just wish the factory offered a 280cc cylinder and piston, as it is just not practicle to develop it in this market. The bike would be sweet!(for us lesser riders) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 My guess is that it would be a lot quicker and a lot less hassle just fitting an OKO 21mm Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
231 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I have the 3.2 4T and it does have the power and it is at times hard to manage. Your suggestion that a 21mm OKO would lower the power would be a help for me. And how much of a reduction will any of the smaller carb sizes be on this bike? Will the supplied jets work with the 3.2? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi 231, Well an OKO 24mm has been tried and Bob told us it was great...smooth and controllable. I have also tried an OKO24mm on a 2T 250 and I was shocked just how easy it was to tune and just how smooth the power delivery was. But of course there was a lack of top end power when it came to doing splatters...but this was kind of offset by the superior grip, because of the smoother power delivery. But remembering we are talking about a 4T engine which usually have smaller carbs than their equivalent 2T engines anyway. My guess is that an OKO21mm would turn your 320 into a kitten and limit that monster that so many people complain about. And at $80 it's not exactly a huge investment. Just my 2cents worth.....Shot me down Cope!! Best of luck and best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtlr Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 the bike needs more flywheel mass and a 24 mm oko i have the 24 mm and mayby i will put more flywheel mass on, just have to check when it could be done regards bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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