kramit Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Take the 2 top US Trials Riders, Pat and Cody and at their current ability with their current bikes. How many years back would we have to go (and everything else being the same in that era, bikes, riders, etc.) for them to be top 5 World Riders? Or better yet, World Champ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Take the 2 top US Trials Riders, Pat and Cody and at their current ability with their current bikes. How many years back would we have to go (and everything else being the same in that era, bikes, riders, etc.) for them to be top 5 World Riders? Or better yet, World Champ? Very very hypothetical, as the bikes are so good now as well, but maybe having seen pat up close in the wtc a couple of times, 25 years or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fracy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 From what I have seen, I truly believe that if Pat moved to Europe full time, he has the skills to compete to be world champ right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shercofray Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 From what I have seen, I truly believe that if Pat moved to Europe full time, he has the skills to compete to be world champ right now! Have you not seen the abilities of the top 5 in wtc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkrck1 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Steve is so right, Micheal Andretti tried in car racing to be competitive as a commuter and failed miserably. You have to embrace the coulture to order to be competitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city trials Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 You have to embrace the coulture to order to be competitive Hogwash. Pat's already one of the most competitive riders in the world. All Patrick needs to do is compete in ALL the rounds. Then we'll see if he's championship material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Hogwash. Pat's already one of the most competitive riders in the world. All Patrick needs to do is compete in ALL the rounds. Then we'll see if he's championship material. That, with respect was not the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 That, with respect was not the question. You on mellow pills ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramit Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Bernard won several World Rounds long before he ever made his home in Europe. Now back to the question..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axulsuv Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 From what I have seen, I truly believe that if Pat moved to Europe full time, he has the skills to compete to be world champ right now! I'd have to agree with Steve , A fulltime commitment and backing like the top have and he could do it ! Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 I'd have to agree with Steve , A fulltime commitment and backing like the top have and he could do it !Glenn On what do you base this opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordi Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Just a humble opinion, but the times I saw Pat ride in Europe his body language suggested that he was not enjoying it. However cannot deny the lads skill when looking at the vids he shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motovintage Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) pardon me if I digress a bit here but let me ask this ... what was it that put Bernie at the top in the first place, (talent aside)I may be off slightly in history but it was my understanding that Marlin and Bernie and maybe even you Lane, all rode together quite a bit and kept pushing each other further and further, they had some great terrain in So Cal and in my oppinion this is what it takes to excell at this sport, if Pat was riding regularly with some one who was better than him he would get better, two or three really good riders who keep pushing each other's limits are going to get better and better, that is in my oppinion what it will take to get an American in the points chase in world trials. What if Jeremy Megrath or Ricky Carmichel had chosen trials instead of motocross? they were the best MX racers in the entire world at their prime. Could they have been the best trials rider in the world if they had chosen that route? I doubt it since it was the competition that raised their game. Edited March 23, 2010 by MotoVintage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 pardon me if I digress a bit here but let me ask this ... what was it that put Bernie at the top in the first place, (talent aside)I may be off slightly in history but it was my understanding that Marlin and Bernie and maybe even you Lane, all rode together quite a bit and kept pushing each other further and further, they had some great terrain in So Cal and in my oppinion this is what it takes to excell at this sport, if Pat was riding regularly with some one who was better than him he would get better, two or three really good riders who keep pushing each other's limits are going to get better and better, that is in my oppinion what it will take to get an American in the points chase in world trials.What if Jeremy Megrath or Ricky Carmichel had chosen trials instead of motocross? they were the best MX racers in the entire world at their prime. Could they have been the best trials rider in the world if they had chosen that route? I doubt it since it was the competition that raised their game. There is something in this, but would bernie have been a champ had he stayed in so cal? Would Fujigas ever have done what he did without embracing europe? Would Adam Raga have been champ had he not ridden in the uk for a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motovintage Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 There is something in this, but would bernie have been a champ had he stayed in so cal? Would Fujigas ever have done what he did without embracing europe? Would Adam Raga have been champ had he not ridden in the uk for a year? Good point, Bernie's results went up over the years on the world circut, if I'm not mistaken both Lane & Marlin posted higher results at first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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