kerabo Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) I am a new member on here. I am also a member of the Francis Barnett Owners Club and through this have now taken ownership of a converted FB trials. Its based on a 1959 FB Falcon. What i need help with is to identify the conversion on the engine. The bottom end is a Villiers 9E but the top end I was told is a 250 conversion. I have attempted to recearch this and the nearest I can find is a Marcell conversion. Can anyone confirm this or knows more about this. Its all alloy and the inlet stub is deep into the fins with 3 screws holding it on .The exhaust is held by 2 screws The only marking is at the base of the barrel and I think it MB My second attempt to do this as the first sems to have gone missing although it want to stop me using web site details With luck my pictures will be visible to you . Regards Ken http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii151/K...eneral%20stuff/ Edited July 16, 2010 by KERABO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickymicky Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) The bike sold on e bay a year or so ago. Then i saw it at an autojumble about 6 weeks ago. It could be a Parkinson barrel-looks very similar to the one on my Butler trials bike Edited July 16, 2010 by TRICKYMICKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old trials fanatic Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Are you sure the bottom end is 9E ? as i have three of those engines in the shed and they all have the barrel at a slight forward angle not upright as yours is. Might be wrong but it just caught my eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ask greeves Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) Hello, I would agree with Trickymicky, looks like Parkinson Conversion. Don't know about the 'upright 9e' Engine, could it be a Chinese copy ! What interests me is the middle silencer, looks very much like a 1968 Vauxhall Victor middle exhaust box. Edited July 16, 2010 by ask greeves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turps Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I'm pretty sure that Francis Barnett and James both used 8e engines rather than 9e and this would explain the vertical barrel. I hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerabo Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Hello, I would agree with Trickymicky, looks like Parkinson Conversion. Don't know about the 'upright 9e' Engine, could it be a Chinese copy ! What interests me is the middle silencer, looks very much like a 1968 Vauxhall Victor middle exhaust box.Yes the silencer does look car like but with help from you guys I hope to improve on that. Regards Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerabo Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 I'm pretty sure that Francis Barnett and James both used 8e engines rather than 9e and this would explain the vertical barrel. I hope this helps. Engine number is 049D 13749 Does this help identify it Regards Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hewson Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Looks like a marcelle from the bottom identification ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerabo Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 After a little searching I found a site that gave the following as a reply to my engine number. Is this good Or have I purchased a DUD Regards Ken JW Villiers Engines Query on 149D returned 1Engine Model 32A 246cc Made( 60-66) BorexStroke( 66 X 72) Rotor(R134) Armature(A139) Carb( S25) Customer [models if known] Cotton:: Cotton Trail No specific information about carb and magneto, Villiers standard has been assumed Four speed W First 3.60 Second 2.18 Third 1.56 Top 1.00 Villiers Singles Database based on data from Villiers factory data sheets,the VMCC machine book, Glass's Guide, and emails from Villiers owners Where multiple records exist - Some models are known to have been supplied to several customers. Conflicting data - Yes, It does happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ask greeves Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Interesting information from Hewson, i think you might have to consider that the cylinder head and barrell could be from different manufacturers. Will be interesting to know your final conclusions, to what exactly you've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinm Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) After a little searching I found a site that gave the following as a reply to my engine number. Is this good Or have I purchased a DUDRegards Ken JW Villiers Engines Query on 149D returned 1Engine Model 32A 246cc Made( 60-66) BorexStroke( 66 X 72) Rotor(R134) Armature(A139) Carb( S25) Customer [models if known] Cotton:: Cotton Trail No specific information about carb and magneto, Villiers standard has been assumed Four speed W First 3.60 Second 2.18 Third 1.56 Top 1.00 Villiers Singles Database based on data from Villiers factory data sheets,the VMCC machine book, Glass's Guide, and emails from Villiers owners Where multiple records exist - Some models are known to have been supplied to several customers. Conflicting data - Yes, It does happen Hi Ken Think you searched on the right site for info.....you entered the wrong engine number (149D not 049D) I have just searched your info and got 049D back as an 9E Heres a link Villers ID Cheers Martin Edited July 17, 2010 by MartinM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigplonker Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 I reckon it's a Marcelle conversion. But I could be wrong. Has been known. Come to think of it, I'm nearly always wrong about everything, according to 'her indoors'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerabo Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Sorry guys i had made an error with the number its 049D and not 149D This make it a 9E from a dam 3 wheeler. I thought for a moment I was on a winner and had a competion engine. JW Villiers Engines Query on 049D returned 1Engine Model 9E 197cc Made( 55-67) BorexStroke( 59 X 72) Rotor(SIBA) Armature(SIBA) Carb(S25/3) Customer [models if known] H Meadows Vehicles:: No specific information about carb and magneto, Villiers standard has been assumed Four speed W First 3.25 Second 1.96 Third 1.40 Top 1.00 Villiers Singles Database based on data from Villiers factory data sheets,the VMCC machine book, Glass's Guide, and emails from Villiers owners Where multiple records exist - Some models are known to have been supplied to several customers. Conflicting data - Yes, It does . I shall have to wait for someone to see and identify the top end. Thank you all fopr your help Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hewson Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) I had the same problem when i bought my sprite trials bike , the closest match i found was the Marcelle , but the marcelle as 8 horizontal fin's on the barrel , but mine only as 7 ....... Edited July 17, 2010 by hewson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Sorry guys i had made an error with the number its 049D and not 149D This make it a 9E from a dam 3 wheeler. I thought for a moment I was on a winner and had a competion engine. There was a Invalid 3 wheeler regularly at the SSDT in the 60/70's that had a competition motor and was fast. Belonged to a factory employee/rider who had had an accident. Never know, could be that one, if your lucky ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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