toofasttim Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Well, aside from the flex and stuff, would you not think that the thrust force is physically transmitted to the structure directly through the nozzles and gimbals? The force MUST be transmitted through those components. The gimbal actuators will only transmit a fraction of the vertical force. Reminds me of the old story. If a fly is flying in an aeroplane that is itself flying does the weight of the aeroplane include the weight of the fly? (Yes, the force that keeps the fly aloft is applied to the floor of the aeroplane adding to the weight. The key here is the word weight) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham2 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 I don't think you're wrong here Cope ! I can't do the math but here is my doofus logic : If the bell nozzles couldn't take the weight of the launch vehicle then how can they be stood on end in the Rocket Garden? I admit they are unfuelled? http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/rocket-garden.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Hey Wayne I have ben to KSC twice, as a rug rat and then as an adult (well not really an adult but at least 30 years old). I loved it both times but the Mrs got bored as did the teenager last time I went. So next year for a TC summer holiday we'll all go to the states apend as long as we want at KSC then go to Copeys ! TC Bash on the Ben could go international , all wee need is a US WTC round. MINT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofasttim Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 If the bell nozzles couldn't take the weight of the launch vehicle then how can they be stood on end in the Rocket Garden? I admit they are unfuelled? Perhaps not the nozzles but where they mate with the rocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham2 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Hey Wayne I have ben to KSC twice, as a rug rat and then as an adult (well not really an adult but at least 30 years old). I loved it both times but the Mrs got bored as did the teenager last time I went. So next year for a TC summer holiday we'll all go to the states apend as long as we want at KSC then go to Copeys ! TC Bash on the Ben could go international , all wee need is a US WTC round. MINT ! Bliss ! I bet I still would five a hillclimb in Florida It's flatter than Holland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham2 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Perhaps not the nozzles but where they mate with the rocket. I've only got holiday vhs (no stills)of KSC, so I'm gonna check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa. Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Here is the business end of a Saturn 5 rocket. And the junior version. I took these a couple of years ago at KSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa. Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Something left over. At dusk in the the garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Aye, you guys missed the free Margs at the last WTC here. Best I figure, FL is the worlds largest sandbar! I cannot recall the year I was at KSC, I get it a bit confused with Houston, but I think it was then, they still had the Saturn V on its side in the rocket garden,and were talking about the refurb and cleanup to put it in a new shed, as it was getting a bit delapidated. I would still suggest first part of April for the aviation Geeks, as Sun-N-Fun fly in is going on with an airshow every day of the week and more planes, new and old than you can finger. Kermit Weeks museum of flight, Orlando, then the East coast wihh Kennedy. One could spend well over a week, but all within a few hours drive. The drive back West is boring, with the museum at Pennsacola, and the Battleship, Sub, and Aviation museum in Mobile Al. making a bad drive better. If you make it to Nwe Orleans, just get on a plane there, as your hangover will not allow you to drive further!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofasttim Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 If the bell nozzles couldn't take the weight of the launch vehicle then how can they be stood on end in the Rocket Garden? Perhaps the nozzles are hiding columns inside them which support the weight of the unfuelled vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 There you go PA! Plumbers Nightmare! WTF? Onceagain amazed by the tech of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofasttim Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) These are J-2's (second stage) Here is the business end of a Saturn 5 rocket. And so is this (third stage). And the junior version. The first stage used an F-1 motor (F-1) Edited May 23, 2011 by TooFastTim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa. Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I cannot recall the year I was at KSC, I get it a bit confused with Houston, but I think it was then, they still had the Saturn V on its side in the rocket garden,and were talking about the refurb and cleanup to put it in a new shed, as it was getting a bit delapidated. The Saturn 5 was inside a rather large shed. Caution do not stand near maked flame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofasttim Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Caution do not stand near maked flame. Light blue touch paper and retire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham2 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I think I can answer my own question about the Saturn V taking it's own weight standing up I remember asking about the sequence for blowing the hold down arms and umbilical release.... and I was told that the Saturn V is actually 'riveted' to the launch platform by 4 large 'soft-iron ' bolts. The heads of those rivets get extruded as the rocket lifts (something to do with damping down the initial exhaust thrust resonance?? ) So it must take it's own weight ...and then some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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