neo Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Just out of curiosity how long has Beta been producing that Old 2T motor for now? Was it in the Beta Zero that it was first fitted? Best of balance. Neo Edited November 17, 2011 by Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc holiday Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I don't know the answer, but it really doesn't matter, I've ridden all the bikes and the EVO 250 is my favorite motor of them all! It doesn't have to be a new design to be a great running motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Thanks for that....Would still be good to know though. Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ormplus Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 must be around 14---15yrs.about as long as the gas gas pro engine,ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Thanks Ormplus. I thing that the Evo is a beautiful bike but I've so my comments about the kick-start on the "wrong side" and I for one would not buy a Beta 2T because of that. So in 15 years why haven't Beta changed that? It's just another long term show stopper ... like the Mikuni Carb's and the Stators. Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 People are funny. Why would it ever matter what side the kickstart is on? (unless you had a bad leg) I've had a number of Beta's and Sherco's, makes no diffrance how you start it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 People are funny. Why would it ever matter what side the kickstart is on? (unless you had a bad leg) I've had a number of Beta's and Sherco's, makes no diffrance how you start it. In the seventies I had a Bultaco Pursang with a left hand kickstart. I hated it with a passion and swore I would never have anything with a left hand kickstart again !! When I got back into trials , about 6 or 7 years ago, I opted for a sherco with the same opinions about the kickstart. When I upgraded recently, I looked at the Beta and was scared about the kickstart but bit the bullet and got a 2010 Beta Evo 250. This bike has got to be the easiest thing to start that I have EVER had. From stone cold, full choke , a bit of a fairy kick to 'prime' and then a full kick and it always starts !! I would recommend to anyone , don't be scared and I would always have another. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 I had a friend of mine keep his Rev3 round my place for a year or so. It ws a PIG! to start but do remember thinking that the way Beta had geared up the staring mechanism was very good and kinda special too. I know you guys are happy (and you have a right to be so) but my point is that in all that time Beta could have made 98% of their potential buyer happier (and made some extra money in the process) putting that KS leaver on the right. I mean why struggle up hill (so to speak) when you can go with the flow ... It's like they just don't listen to their own market. Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogle Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) Interesting point, and I can see how it might put people off, but I think the majority of people shouldn't have a problem starting a 2t with their left leg once they hav tried it. Just down to peoples misconception. My left leg is completely knackered (lots of plates pins and screws) but i have had 3 Betas and never struggled to start them. If a Beta or any bike is a pig to start I think it would be the same way regardless of what side the kickstart is on. Edited November 18, 2011 by Doogle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullylover Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hello all. Just a remark on left hand start compared to right hand start. I own a Bultaco so to me left side kick is normal but if you think back to the seventies and eighties and even before a lot of the European bikes started on the left. Maico, Ossa and many Italian bikes all started on the left. It became normal to have right side kick after the Japanese got a lot bigger. The same as left side shift versus right side shift. Each side has its pros and cons. Bully Lover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yes I know the Italians and French have done some "weird and wonderful" things like this in the past. My first Trials bike was a Fantic Section. RH but forward (instead of backward) kicking... I must admit I quite liked it at the time. I understand that Beta riders (here) don't mind the LH Kickstart but it is something I've often heard "RH Kickstarter" riders say they don't like many times. My guess is that most Beta riders wouldn't really mind if Beta changed it to the RH either? ... I didn't hear anyone complaining about the RH Kickstart on the 4T when it came out. Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonezone Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 i'm on my first beta after never having a LH kick. it makes absolutely no difference to me... I can't imagine someone choosing to 'not' buy a bike just because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 i'm on my first beta after never having a LH kick. it makes absolutely no difference to me... I can't imagine someone choosing to 'not' buy a bike just because of that. Well I guess this is one of the reasons you are happy to ride Beta's An opinion poll would be interesting ... Best of balance. Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motovita Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I had a friend of mine keep his Rev3 round my place for a year or so. It ws a PIG! to start but do remember thinking that the way Beta had geared up the staring mechanism was very good and kinda special too. I know you guys are happy (and you have a right to be so) but my point is that in all that time Beta could have made 98% of their potential buyer happier (and made some extra money in the process) putting that KS leaver on the right. I mean why struggle up hill (so to speak) when you can go with the flow ... It's like they just don't listen to their own market. Best of balance. Neo It's thanks to whiners like you that we all have to shift on the wrong side now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 we all have to shift on the wrong side now You have lost me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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