wri5hty Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 so when you make a right mess of it and crash, broken bike and broken bones can be solved by hitting the reset button. Oh how I wish that was possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old trials fanatic Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Calm down Pete, I've often thought that trials need to be more like a video game. Isnt video games the problem ? As for the youth element being the future? dont be daft THEY AINT GOT ANY MONEY!!!! it's as usual always down to the bank of mum and dad to finance the idle buggers. I mean how many "youths" actually can be bothered to get a job? When i was 14 starting out trialing i had two paper rounds and a Saturday job at the local supermarket and had to do the paper round BEFORE we went to the trial on Sunday. All to pay for my Sprite. How many of these future saviours of our sport could be ar5ed to do that nowadays??? They wont get involved either as they are to used to being carried around by their soft touch overindulgent parents then expect the rest of society to carry on doing the same for the rest of their life. Get used to it the youth element, as far as trials having a future is concerned, are irrelevant. Once they start contributing both financially and in giving up their time then they may become relevant until then trials should concentrate on the over 40's if it wants a future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wri5hty Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 The youth of today are the over 40s of the future, we shouldn't alienate them altogether. Some youths help out at trials now, so we shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. In the same way as all over 40s are not clueless old farts. As far as the ACU goes they have only changed the rules for the BTC, everything else can stay the same so it makes no difference to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old trials fanatic Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 The youth of today are the over 40s of the future, we shouldn't alienate them altogether. Some youths help out at trials now, so we shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. In the same way as all over 40s are not clueless old farts. As far as the ACU goes they have only changed the rules for the BTC, everything else can stay the same so it makes no difference to me. Not trying, or wanting, to alienate them, or anybody else for that matter, just that i keep hearing that they are the future as if the rest of the entry, which is by far the majourity, dont matter. Fact is if you eliminated everybody over 25 from trials then the whole thing would cease to exist. Getting youths into the sport, even more important getting them involved in the running of the sport, and keeping them in unlike so many wunderkindt that have come and gone in the past, remember Joanne Coles?, is very important but so many just come and go before they are 20 and what good to the sport is that? They arent the be all and end all that some people seem to think they are. We should be concentrating on attracting more people who 1. have disposable income and arent afraid to spend it. 2. people who have gained skills in their working life that are transferable and would become an asset to the sport giving it a sound future. If they have kids who also want to ride then that is a bonus but the kids arent the best or most useful target audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wri5hty Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Joanne coles may return to the sport one day, no one will be sure if she will or wont return to trials except her, and who's to say she wont come back on the organizing side of things. many people disappear for many years, but most seem to return one day, I did also. if we send them packing they may never return and that wouldn't be for the best. we need to try accommodate everyone in this sport if its going to continue and hopefully thrive. I myself and a few of the lads that help me are under 40, should we sod off for a few more years, or continue to ride and organize trials? I'm not trying to get into a argument with anyone over this next statement, but myself and the lads i work with don't own rose tinted spectacles, we don't hanker back to bygone days and we don't believe we know everything. when we ride at different clubs and centres if we see what we think is a good idea we adapt it to what works for us and use it. we brought in a extra route to our trials to help accommodate the diversities in ability and it has worked, to the point where other clubs in our centre have followed us. riders of all ages have complimented us on what we have done and believe its the best way to go(not all riders but enough to make us continue)unfortunately we were only able to do this once some older gents moved aside allowing us to do so. this is by no way a derogatory remark to the older gents who kept our club running long before we turned up, just a fact that the younger voices were not getting heard. I'm not saying i have all the answers (I'm not that arrogant)but i would like to see some things change, but would rather get my own house in order first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Interesting topic, started by someone who has bailed out quickly... it would seem! Having a go at an organising body is nothing new, its been going on here in Scotland since about..1913 and it happens week in week out! However, if "trials folk" wish to go the whole hog, go it alone and set up let's say a Trials Only Association, outwith the usual SACU/ACU/AMCA/IOPD or what-ever organisation that controls the sport of trials at the moment, get some things clear before they do please. Have those, wishing to move from the ACU or whoever, got the time, desire and enthusiasm to work tirelessly and forego riding a bike on a Sunday? If they happen to get the insurance package wrong are they prepared to lose their home in the event of a massive insurance and legal bill? Hmmm.....? Are they willing to lobby parliament to ensure land access? Etc..etc..etc... If they can tick all these boxes and a whole host more, then by all means go for it - but please leave me out of it, I'll get back to riding regular instead, I won't risk it. I have a nice house and many unfettered assets, I also intend to keep it that way, but hey, I'm a selfish kinda guy! Self preservation is a good thing in my book! Now then, I don't hear a great shout of "let me, let me".... or do I? I think the "status quo" has some attractions for me...Just a thought! Big John Edited June 15, 2012 by big john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I think the "status quo" has some attractions for me...Just a thought! Big John And they are well over 40 too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 And they are well over 40 too It's a right bugger this "being over 40" malarky! Big John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Actually, the original poster "Transit" was based in Oxford, which is a co-incedence in that MCFEDERATION, the alternative to ACU Motocross is also based in that area. Scottish motocross partially broke away to this alternative organisation in late December 2011, so now in Scotland we have two sets of championships, SACU Scottish Motocross & SMXFederation. - With me so far? From what I have learned, MCFederation it is a commercial venture headed by Matt Bates and Roy Barton who are (I think, but not 100% certain) ex-employees of the ACU! There is also a promotions compabny called EVENTS22 Ltd which handles the set ups for the big Red Bull Pro Nationals etc. The financial success requires committment style fees from riders in addition to licence and other charges and in return they offer cheaper insurance, which appears to be inferior to ACU cover currently on offer (I may be wrong of course!). They also boast Quads, trials etc but as their name is based around the shortening of MotocrossFederation and was set up specifically for MX, no trials only clubs are listed they are all pretty much MX clubs. I feel it is merely just a method of doing what the ACU already does with a bit more razz-ama-tazz thrown in! paid for by the riders and clubs. Hmmm...Just a thought! Big John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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