canada280i Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 So I assume by now that most people who are experiencing starting issues either have the original LSS type starter pack installed, or have the 9v battery version which is smaller, simpler, and avoids potential flooding by only charging the electrics and not the fuel pump. Just as a matter of interest, if you were to use a rechargeable 9v battery on the 9v system, and say, kept the circuit open when travelling between sections, would the system recharge the battery or would the combo capacitor and 9v battery in the sytem have a negative effect. I know changing a standard 9v battery on this system is no big deal, my questions is more just a matter of interest as to whether it would recharge or not. electrical wizards....over to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deonattard Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Since we get the starter to the top of the stroke before turning the 12v battery on we havn't had another flooding problem. Prior to doing this we've flooded both bikes once each. I havn't had to manually or re-charge either of our batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada280i Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hi Deon, glad your LSS iw working fine, if yoiu need something else to do as a project you can make a much more compact version using AAA size batteries that appears to work just as well, I knowcked one up out of boredom one day and it worked flawlessly through a trial on Sunday. My quesiton was more about the recharging of a 9v battery on the alternative 9v system, currently that system uses a standard 9v battery to aid starting and you just replace he battery when it goes flat (the battery lasts a really long time as it is only on during the start stroke nd then is taken out of the system by a switch and the capacitor takes over) so I was trying to determine if a rechargeable battery could be incorporated and recharged or if the presence of the capacitor would preventthis or cause some sort of issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) mines still a moody git to start even with the battery pack sometimes 7-8 kicks sometime 3-4, I'm learning to live with it as the rest of the bike makes up for it. one thing i have noticed is that my rear wheel spindle seems to have expanded as its now a very very tight fit in the bearings jsp Edited September 11, 2012 by jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deonattard Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 jsp - which battery pack are you running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 the 9v system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada280i Posted September 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 JSP, are you running the 9v through the box with the built in switch or do you have it wired through a kill switch type setup that you press during the kick process? My first 9v system was a little hit and miss like how you described but eventually I tracked it down to a p*ss poor wiring job. I redid the whole thing and now it works like a charm through a kill switch as per the instruction from Ossa Canada here: http://www.ossacanada.ca/Ossa%20TR280i%209V%20battery%20connection.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 ive used the battery box with the built in switch, i thought id done a good job with the wiring as i even soldered all the connections to make sure. might have a quick look to see whats going on any thoughts on my rear wheel spindle issue ? jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada280i Posted September 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 The rear wheel issue has me beat unless there is some dirt that has got in to make it a tight fit. I know they are a snug fit but I can't see it expanding that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 canada280i it can be dirt as its a tight fit on the spare bearings i have in my tool box and the on the spacer from the wheel. i was thinking of trying a jitsie universal spindle to see if that fits jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 just tried starting my bike from cold and used the following method turn on battery and leave for 2 - 3 mins turn throttle on to full and back to off started second kick i will give this method another go over the week end and make sure it wasnt a fluke jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deonattard Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 jsp - have you tried the 12v battery? Our bikes pretty much never take more than 2-kicks since fitting the 12v battery and prior to this they were a NIGHTMARE to start. The only caution is we always get the kick starter to the top of the stroke before turning on the battery switch. If you don't do this, every once and a while you might flood the bike. If you do flood it, hold it WOT and it should start within 4 kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Deon think ive got the 9v systems cracked now its miles better if you leave it on a while before you start it jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada280i Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thats the theory behind the 9v system, it charges the system that would normally be done by the first few kicks so the engine fires after 1 or 2 kicks. Glad it seems better for you now JSP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Cracked it, get the bike out of the van switch On the battery pack and then put on my boots Give the throttle a full twist, then back to normal And she fires up first kick. Jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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