sawtooth Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) As per my other thread, I have awful clutch drag (bike will just stall if stopped on the brakes), just taken the plates out and have a couple of questions. 1. Is the clutch pack tolerance for a Gas Gas Pro 9.75mm/9.85mm? Read in a thread on here that it is 9.75mm/10.05mm, but searching elsewhere online I keep finding 9.75mm/9.85mm? 2. When measuring clutch pack, do you measure across the the fiber pads? If so mine measures between 9.63mm & 9.66mm depending where you measure. (See pic below) If that's correct then mines far too thin on the overall thickness so a new pack is needed. 3. Does anyone know if the DP clutch pack for the Gas Gas Pro fall into the right tolerance off the shelf or is any fettling required? 4. Two of my clutch fingers move outwards (see pic below), is that OK? The rest don't seem to move? 4. What is this ring/washer that is half way down my starter shaft (see pic below)? And is it supposed to be like that? In the 2nd pic you can see that it is not a full ring, it looks like a split washer of some sort? 5. Lastly, reading the thread on here I gather that a clutch pack that is too thick will cause drag, but my pack is too thin so why is mine dragging? Shouldn't mine be slipping instead? (which it's not btw) Edited September 8, 2013 by sawtooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Nobody have any info for me? :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee99780 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Hi again lol.... I fit the dp clutch straight from the box. All fine! The fingers should move, thats fine, just make sure all the fingers are sat correctly when refitting, mine wasnt and it f***ked my release bearing.! Make sure the washer goes back on the kick start shaft as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) Hi again lol.... I fit the dp clutch straight from the box. All fine! The fingers should move, thats fine, just make sure all the fingers are sat correctly when refitting, mine wasnt and it f***ked my release bearing.! Make sure the washer goes back on the kick start shaft as well Hey dude thanks, um only two of my fingers are moving? Will call around a few shops tomorrow morning then and try to get a DP set sent to me next day :-) Edited September 8, 2013 by sawtooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee99780 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Have you looked at jim snells video's on youtube? Everything is explained on them! Very helpful vids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Have you looked at jim snells video's on youtube? Everything is explained on them! Very helpful vids Will take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilh Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 im no expert on bikes, but have years of experience on cars, and i would say those finger springs on the clutch cover are not supposed to move outwards like that. i stand to be corrected mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 They do move out but once the cover is fitted the top hat / slave cylinder prevents this. All fingers should move freely i think so this likely to be your problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Think I've made progress today. Got a DP friction plate set today, strangely it measured the same as the old pack (9.66mm), fitted it and if anything the drag was worse. Turned out my master cylinder reservoir was low on oil! Topped this up, quick bleed by pumping the lever and the clutch drag was gone! All my fingers are loose now after rebuilding the pack. I'm guessing my slave cylinder is slowly leaking the fluid into the engine, will keep an eye on the level and have a go at the slave if need be. This an easy job? So I figured while on top of the game I'll fit my '06+ lighter clutch spring, but all this done was create clutch slip under load! So gone back to the original spring, I couldn't get it to slip (up against a wall, 5th gear, lots of revs, slowly let clutch out and bike stalled). Am hoping it won't slip when out riding. To me though a pack thats under size should slip yes? So why did the DP pack come undersize out of the box? 3x fiber plates are 2.3mm each 2x steel plates are 1.4mm each Total thickness = 9.7mm (should be 9.75/9.85mm) So don't know what thats all about? Edited September 9, 2013 by sawtooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I figure brake/clutch fluid can't be good for the fiber plates on the clutch if it gets mixed in to the gearbox oil? A little bit seeping in shouldn't do too much harm should it short term? Will rebuild the slave anyway asap so does anyone have any info on doing this or any links etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sting32 Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Sad to hear you having so much issues, everyone learns the hard way to start with simple then head to complex when fixing a problem. Well, like you say, you have oil dripping from master cylinder, or it is leaking into transmission. Now I have had my master cylinder leak a tiny bit in a year, out the cap, area IMHO. and due to extreme heat in summer maybe? so mid summer it seems like, I have had to fill my master cylinder, you should fluids once a year anyhow! if not twice like my friends do. Transmission fluids need change after you run the bike 10-13 hours, that fits a month for me most of the year... so I do that each "meet" (we compete once a month year round on state level) I like to do all maint that night before I load up, air filters, oil changes, check hydraulics and all that. nice thing is, there are 2 orings in the clutch cover, that is all that can allow a leak into the transmission, anyhow. check all the other bolts and fittings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Thanks very much for the info, do you know how I remove the 'top hat' in the clutch cover and get at the o-rings? Pretty sure all the other connections are OK. Edited September 9, 2013 by sawtooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I think the '04 Pro uses one o-ring MT280432047 and one cup seal MT280332049 Can anyone confirm? Edited September 9, 2013 by sawtooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 not sure how many but take the cover off and top hat just slides off the post. On GG i think if the pack is too thick it may slip as this will make the fingers higher ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawtooth Posted September 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 Thanks, do I need to drain the fluid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.