Fim Minimum Bike Weight Increase 2014? What?

[mattylad]

How come when I stood next to the bloke weighing riders bikes at the French round last year that the Mont was on the minimum limit?

[guys]

Why shouldn't it be on the minimum limit?

[baldilocks]

Because this kills the theory that Honda want the minimum weight increased ? However at what cost is the mont minimum weight

[laser1]

Just imagine if Honda actually made the direct injected two stroke that was flying around in cyberspace yesterday. It would be fantatsic if they would realize that not every solution in motorsports is best optimized with the 4t design space they have pigeonholed themselves with. With the resurgence of 2t in MX, I can only hope Honda would apply there "unrestricted" engineering talents toward what the market wants rather than lobbying for what they want.

Edited April 2, 2014 by laser1

[cascao]

If motorcycle racing world becomes only 4T (by any stupid rule), this is good for big business who need/want to sell big volumes of what they race to regular people.

There will be less new/small manufacturers popping around too.

[twinshocked]

most of the younger guys here in NZ who have been riding grew up with their fathers riding & it was natural for them to ride with them, now they're older have all taken up enduros etc & done rather well at it

Because riding Enduros is more fun than hopping about in a 5'X5' ribboned box.

Edited April 3, 2014 by twinshocked

[nigel dabster]

How come when I stood next to the bloke weighing riders bikes at the French round last year that the Mont was on the minimum limit?

Cos the tyre was full of water or the airbox had lead in it? Perhaps a weighing on the course at random would be better?

[guys]

Cos the tyre was full of water or the airbox had lead in it? Perhaps a weighing on the course at random would be better?

Whats the point in these speculations? Or do you have some proof to back it up? Did you hear the water sloshing around in the tyre maybe

Edited April 3, 2014 by guys

[nigel dabster]

Its so easy to cheat a system which is a) not at all worth doing ie adding lead weight to comply, and easy to circumvent because everyone knows when and where the bikes are tested.

the same thing happened/s with the fuel rule too.

[steveo]

Forget about a bit of water in the tyres or adding some lead for ballast, have a go at this for instructions for an observer at a WTC round,

Definition of Fault

Each contact with any part of the rider or his machine (with exception of the tyres, footrests

and the engine protection plate) with the ground or an obstacle (tree rock etc).

• 1 Fault 1 point

• 2 Faults 2 points

• More than two faults 3 points

• Stopping with or without footing. 5 points

• The machine is moving backwards. 5 points

• Moving either wheel to the side without forward motion. 5 points

• Failure 5 points

Definition of Failure

• The rider is not connected to the cut-off switch with a lanyard whilst he is riding inside

the section

• The machine ceases to move in a forward direction relative to the course.

• The machine is moving backwards with or without footing.

• The machine touches the ground with the front or rear wheel, outside a boundary.

• The rider or the machine breaks, removes, knocks down or rides over or above a

marker or marker support causing the Observer to reposition the marker.

• The rider dismounts from the machine and he has both feet on the ground, on the

same side or behind the axle of the back wheel of the machine.

• The front wheel does not precede the back wheel when passing through a gate.

• The rider enters the section by foot without the authorisation of the Clerk of Course.

• The rider receives outside assistance.

• The rider or his assistant changes the condition of the section.

• The rider passes through the gates of another category whatever the direction.

• The assistant enters the section without an invitation from the official.

• Not entering a section, providing the rider has reported to the section official.

• The motorcycle does a complete loop, crossing its own track with both wheels.

All failures must be signalled by the Observer by an immediate

Missing a section 20 points

Only the greatest penalty, as defined above, shall be counted in the section. However the

following points may be added

1. Infringing the current rules in the corridor 5 points

2. The assistant entering the corridor 5 points

3. Receiving outside assistance to the machine in the corridor 5 points

4. Not leaving the section at a time and place indicated by the official

5 points

5. Not attempting the sections in numerical order 20 points

In case of doubt from the observer concerning a penalty, the rider will always be

given the benefit of the doubt.

A Penalty awarded by the section Observer which is subsequently agreed by the Clerk of

Course to be within the Trial Regulations, shall be deemed a Statement of Fact.

When an error occurs on the score card and the rider has already left without

correction or in the case of an extra penalty, the Observer must fill in a copy and the

form and submit this information to the clerk of course to transmit, on pain of nullity,

to the Results Manager as soon as possible after the incident and at the latest 1 hour

after the incident and, anyhow, before the publication of the results on the board.

Yellow Card.

Each Chief Observer shall be issued with a ‘Ýellow Card’. The card shall be A6 in size (to fit

into a pocket) and made of a rigid material.

A yellow card can be issued to a rider due to the behaviour or actions of the rider, the rider’s

assistant or wearer of a Manufacturer’s bib accompanying the rider. If any of these persons

refuses to obey the instructions of an Observer, or who behaves in a disorderly manner

within a section, the rider shall be shown the Yellow Card. The issuing of a Yellow Card is a

statement of fact and therefore no protest can be received in conformity with Art. 4,1 of the

FIM Disciplinary and Arbitration Code. The observer shall then complete a copy of the

notification form and submit this information to the Clerk of Course to transmit, on pain of

nullity, to the Results Manager as soon as possible after the incident and at the latest 1 hour

after the incident and anyhow, before the publication of the results on the board.

Penalties

First offence in an event of 1 or 2 days Euro 30 + 5 points

Second offence in an event of 1 or 2 days Euro 50 + 5 points

Third offence in an event of 1 or 2 days Disqualification + Euro 100

[nigel dabster]

Does anyone know if the weight rule was enforced and how?

I also wonder if the rule change to no stop is making the older riders carry on longer than they did in the past?

[baldilocks]

Dont think thats the issue dabster Cabestany is better indoors and thats stop permitted.

[nigel dabster]

Fuji wins and bou second you think no stop hasnt helped that result?

[baldilocks]

No I think that's due to sections being on the easy side.

[dadof2]

No I think that's due to sections being on the easy side.

Perhaps you could have got round for 2 or 3 then?

I don't think Brown or Gubian found it that easy.

My impression, mainly based on watching the indoor trials series is that Bou has raised his game a notch. He just seems to have that few % more confidence and ability compared to last year. Although anyone can slip as he did on the first day I would not be surprised if he goes on to dominate the season by a wide margin.