nigel dabster Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Dani oliveras is 17, his birthday is in November when he will be 18. Having won the youthWTC for Gas Gas he decided to ride the junior WTC at Hawkstone. Who gave him permission to do that? You are supposed to be 18 to compete and he clearly is not. Patrick Smage (USA) apparently asked if he could ride in the Youth wtc in the Duluth round and was told, "rules are rules, no". Alexz Wigg asked if he could do the same and ride at Hawkstone in the Youth WTC, coincidentally his birthday is exactly the same as Dani's only he is 2 years younger, he was told "rules are rules, no". Is that fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinell Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Is that fair? If correct, definitely not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city trials Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Does Dani belong in the Junior Class? From his first attempt, one would say yes. Were rules altered for Dani to ride Junior class? Under the current rules (???), one would say yes. Was this fair? You bet it isn't. FIM.... take hard look at what you did with allowing Dani to move up a class without being old enough. You opened a can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I've just been through the rules and dispensations to ride out of class due to winning are not mentioned. All they say is: 052.7.1.1 Age of riders Trial World Championship: 18 years old and holders of a valid driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted August 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I don't see any reason why Oliveras cannot ride in the Junior, although in the rules he has to stick with the 125cc as he isn't 18 yet. But by the same generality if Alexz or anyone else for that matter is European champ surely an upgradeshould be possible too? The degree of rule bending is dependent on your viewpoint, but Oliveras participating in the Junior wtc is against the rules as detailed above, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Just a thought.... James Dabill won the Junior WC and is now allowed to be promoted to the full world class. Oliveras won the junior 125 class, so therefore allowed to be promoted to the junior!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 James Dabill won the Junior WC and is now allowed to be promoted to the full world class.Oliveras won the junior 125 class, so therefore allowed to be promoted to the junior!? Dabill was born 17/4/86 so is over 18 and automatically eligible for the World Class "Trial World Championship: 18 years old and holders of a valid driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
physco Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 just wait for young "WIGGY", trust me.forget the rules just wait!!!!!!.for the english "youngsters",well done to you all you certainly kicked some a***!!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the artist formerly known as ish Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 [Q] Andy's post "18 years old (or who will be 18 years old during the year of the event)" [Q] Dabster's post "Dani oliveras is 17, his birthday is in November when he will be 18." Doesn't Dani meet the criteria due to the fact he will be 18 during the year of the event ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 [Q] Andy's post"18 years old (or who will be 18 years old during the year of the event)" [Q] Dabster's post "Dani oliveras is 17, his birthday is in November when he will be 18." Doesn't Dani meet the criteria due to the fact he will be 18 during the year of the event ? No, the rules (cut and pasted) say "Only riders aged over 16 years old and less than 18 years old (or who will be 18 years old during the year of the event) will be accepted to participate in the FIM Youth Trial Cup 125cc.". Nowhere do they mention that those under 18 are permitted to ride in the Junior Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city trials Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) Nevermind gossip, I'll get to the bottom of this. I will have a opinion story on this subject real soon. Edited August 3, 2005 by City Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonsurge Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Just read the official FIM response on the front page and now I'm more confused. If the new rules allowed Oliveras ro ride, why couldn't Wiggy and the others? Who's responsibility was it to make entry acceptance decisions and were they aware of the rule changes? Was it the "holder of a valid drivers' license" requirement that was a stopper? No axe to grind here, just interested although if there's a communication problem somewhere it needs to be resolved to prevent problems like this in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the artist formerly known as ish Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 A positive side to Dani, riding the junior class for the remainder of the season, is that it gives other lads a chance to get a win or on the podium, as shown in the Hawkstone results. Physco, is right, the young riders will get their chance soon enough, some countries acquiring a valid drivers license can be done at a younger age, but all world championship classes require this. All press releases on rule changes etc are posted on the FIM site, who's responsibility is it to keep up to date on those changes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonsurge Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Right, now that all the handbag-swinging is out of the way, in the end it comes down to whether the rider holds a valid national driving license, right? And it's possible to get your bike license at 16 in Spain? I honestly thought that Alexz is 17 'cos he's such a big lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted August 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Alexz is 15 currently, as is Patrick I think. Alexz is 16 in november so will not get a chance to ride Youth wtc till next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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