andyrothers Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 World best score = 2 British best score = 65 Is it: 1. Domestic championship not developing skills on the tight terrain? 2. Observing favouring world best? 3. No stop rules 4. Factory resources favour worlds best? 5. Something else? Are the ACU asking the same questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasgas249uk Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Watching the videos I can only come to one conclusion. The UK riders uncontrollably fell asleep mid lap due to the incredible dullness of the sections ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecat Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 At the WTC at Nord Vue the first time I saw Bou the engine stopped on him. No 5! Anybody else instant 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Watching the videos I can only come to one conclusion. The UK riders uncontrollably fell asleep mid lap due to the incredible dullness of the sections ? Not enough water/mud? Short report, sadly in Spanish. Thanks to Raga: http://www.tv3.cat/videos/5190871/Sorpresa-al-Mundial-de-trial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Day two at penrith equals spanish sections, no wonder who will do best then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAD1 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Problem with Penrith is that it's largely ride in, huge step, drop down, little turn, huge step exit. 0 or 5 The Spanish live and breath on huge steps so nothing to do with observers favouring local / best riders (this time) I've not analysed the scores but would imagine a lot of the non top 5 riders points were 5's. The factory support helps but again won't make any difference to your score. As for ACU input or support or even review and analyse.. I don't think they give a monkeys TBH. Look at other countries all have their federation with them, supporting them (financially, with trucks, minders, mechanics) and making their life easier. Spanish, French and Italian all out in force with their brightest and best. Had a good chat with the Italians who were in our hotel. Great bunch, great set up, great team mentality and most importantly great support for the riders. Do the ACU do ANYTHING like this? I don't think any of our riders get anything other than a few ££ here and there. Edited July 28, 2014 by nickday1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizza5 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Not enough water/mud? Belgium was wet and the Spaniards still did good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Belgium was wet and the Spaniards still did good? Yah, but I had the impression the Englisch didn't do bad either, I thought they felt more at home here There were "only" 29 points between the best and the first Brit. When the going gets tough, the tough get going, or something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusoe123 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I saw Bou stall the engine on Section 4, he couldn't get the bike started and it took at least 3 kicks. These kicks took place whilst remaining stationary for several seconds. A cynic might say that the rider had Stopped.... However, the observer fiddles about with his cards and eventually made a decision... by this time Bou was up the top and dabbed once... Have a guess what he scored... Ye you got it 1 mark dropped. The compare on the Red Bull truck 'raved' about the move, stating how incredible it was, which it would have been had he not stopped, stripped the bike, done his boots up and scratched his ..... you get the point. I pointed this out to the compare but he ignored my efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 In Spain a competition licence is around 300 euro, this presumably funds a truck. People in the uk were most unhappy when the acu first charged £10 ! Personally i think we have bigger issues to fix than buying a truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 but weve had our sport too cheap too long and the several millions in acu clubs banks will still be there when weve got no where to ride. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickwren Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) As for ACU input or support or even review and analyse.. I don't think they give a monkeys TBH.Look at other countries all have their federation with them, supporting them (financially, with trucks, minders, mechanics) and making their life easier.Spanish, French and Italian all out in force with their brightest and best.Had a good chat with the Italians who were in our hotel. Great bunch, great set up, great team mentality and most importantly great support for the riders.Do the ACU do ANYTHING like this? I don't think any of our riders get anything other than a few ££ here and there. I see from other posts that Mr Day asks if other contributors are looking for an argument, perhaps he should turn his brain on before starting up his keyboard. Perhaps he might like to have a word with grass roots riders in Spain, Italy, France etc where their hard earned cash goes into paying for all this excellent support that their top level riders receive. The phrase " pay peanuts you get monkeys" comes to mind and if mr day was half as well informed as he claims to be he would know that licences and insurance prices are astronomical in these countries. OK so I might be biassed but at least I know what I'm talking about. The ACU Trials and Enduro committee do a phenomenal job in supporting the sport at all levels and making it easily accessable for everybody from 4 years old to somebody on a 90 year old bike at a very reasonable price. Example if an FIM licence is priced at 200 Euros the ACU will charge the rider £200 with the difference in exchange rate being the administration fee but in the countries who have fancy trucks etc at world round the licence will cost 3 or 4 times the amount charged to the federation by the FIM. Furthermore when at World rounds the Spanish, Italian etc riders are represented by full time employees of the federation, ACU riders are represented by people who give up their time for the sport they love. Mr Day states how much he paid for his weekend at Penrith and I accept it's not cheap but I spent a whole week there and then on the following Friday I got up at 3.30 in the morning to go to France for another 4 days out of my life, and before he makes any bright remarks about my million pound expenses I would reccommend he asks any of the riders out there If they get value for money from me. For the record, I don't like the rules, I have absolute sympathy with observers, it's very easy to pick on a few examples of less than accurate observing, I am extremely concerned about the atmosphere at world trials this year, I am extremely concerned about the future of trials especially at World level and I support all the British riders who live in vans etc to follow their dream. So if Mr Day wants to express his frustration with the state of World level Trials, the rules, the cost etc etc please feel free, but make stupid ill advised comments about the ACU's commitment or knowledge and he will get an argument from me every time Edited July 29, 2014 by mickwren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I am extremely concerned about the atmosphere at world trials this year, I am extremely concerned about the future of trials especially at World level and I support all the British riders who live in vans etc to follow their dream. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickwren Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 left arm at a jaunty angle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mags Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) I think Motorcycle Federations are the same in my country. We have a thing called Motorcycling Australia. It controls all motorcycling in our country including Trials. If I enter a trial I have to get a day licence from MA for around $35 or I can't participate. I can get an annual licence for $200 and an examination that I'm capable to ride a motorcycle... my open road licence covers this aspect. Now I don't mind paying at all but I'm not happy... none of the money goes back into trials that I can see... not even any promotion of trials in any way! It goes into road racing or the MotoGP. Imagine if every $35 day licence for every clubs trials comps went into a federation called Trials Australia and went back into trials! Bliss!!! Time for a revolution, maybe... Mags Edited July 29, 2014 by mags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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