africanjon Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Bringing along a new face makes more sense to me. Someone like Jaime Busto who could grow with the brand. Besides they already have DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsrfun Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 A great promo video, just noticed what appears to be a cylinder ??? on the L/H side of the bike might it be something like the boost bottle Yamaha once fitted to some of their bikes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada280i Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I think it may be the electric waterpump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 As the top riders may technically still be under contract, they obviously can't make an announcement to the world. Cat/bag though! As dibs is out of contract at year end he could be pictured signing a new contract, riding or promoting wouldnt be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Blimey there is some drivel spouted on here sometimes! Can't believe how negative some people are about progress. People said lightweight 2 strokes would never beat a big heavy 4 stroke. Rear suspension was no good for Trials etc... So Fuel injection then, perfect carburation at all altitudes and whatever the weather. Works at any angle and bike can be laid flat/upside down without pouring fuel out (environmental issue there.) We've all been driving cars with fuel injection for years and seem to forget how horrendous our old cars with carbs and manual chokes were. People are berating the electric water pump and couldn't see any benefits, have a look on the Beta forums and see how many Rev3 posts you can find moaning about corroded engine cases because of the water pump. Early Gas Gas Pro also had sealing issues around the shaft I recall. An electric pump makes good sense to me - Bike will warm up to working temperature much quicker as water won't be flowing round the rad, that should help after a stop to inspect sections on a cold winter day too. The pump can run at the optimum speed at all times regardless of engine revs, Perhaps even improving engine performance as there will be no resistance when reving. The pump on the viseo is clearly a prototype, the ones pictured in Milan were barely noticeable. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Dadof2 will be along in a minute no doubt to explain 9 of his mates have had electric water pumps fail on some vehicle or other and what you really need is a 4RT with rigid forks and solid tyres. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsrfun Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 canada280i, on 12 Nov 2014 - 4:00 PM, said:I think it may be the electric waterpump On second viewing and using pause the pipework to the rad area is visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 #100 yes very funny. The electric water pump will put load (resistance) on the engine because of the torque required to generate its driving electricity. Then there will be efficiency losses during generation, rectification and in the electric motor of the pump itself. The reason Beta cases corrode is because they are magnesium alloy (to make them lighter) and possibly more suited to thin moulding. Because of its position in the galvanic series relative to aluminium rapid corrosion occurs. Honda CR MX bikes suffered the same. EFI on cars always desirable? - anyone priced a GDI recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 anybody give a sh!t about it on here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasgas249uk Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Give me mechanical water pump any day. Electric motors fail much more regularly , especially when they are blasted with muck and water. Like my many many bike experiences with Aprilia road bikes the fancy electric bits are good for a couple of years , then die. It's a pity , there gorgeous otherwise. But I'm willing to give the Vertigo a chance - good luck , but like all progress , it might cost in reliability. I'm cynical about how long they have tested the. whole bike for. Some proto pictures might reassure and show the trials world their not like everyone else and rushing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 #100 yes very funny. The electric water pump will put load (resistance) on the engine because of the torque required to generate its driving electricity. Then there will be efficiency losses during generation, rectification and in the electric motor of the pump itself. The reason Beta cases corrode is because they are magnesium alloy (to make them lighter) and possibly more suited to thin moulding. Because of its position in the galvanic series relative to aluminium rapid corrosion occurs. Honda CR MX bikes suffered the same. EFI on cars always desirable? - anyone priced a GDI recently? Are you for real? you seem to be worried about the 'load' on the mag to generate the electricity to power the pump. So what about the load required to drive a mechanical pump and it's inefficiencies? Do you just sit there thinking of the most negative thing you can think of and spout this crap. Do you not think that designers learn from these things and re-design things to overcome these issues? I've been in design engineering/automation now for 31 years and what I've learnt in all the time, is NEVER work with people like you because nothing would ever get developed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Feeeeel the looooove atom feel the love. :blush: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fracy Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Dadof2 will be along in a minute no doubt to explain 9 of his mates have had electric water pumps fail on some vehicle or other and what you really need is a 4RT with rigid forks and solid tyres. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Any info on when and where you can buy one and how much?Im not after a new bike but be interested to see one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelly1 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I did see this yesterday that might be more up your street? i had one of these bloody thing wooden go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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