Don Smith, Steve Saunders And John Hulme.

[Manicmonday]

Quite a story, what happened in the end? Did the book get pulled from sale?

[Tr1AL]

1 hour ago, Manicmonday said:

Quite a story, what happened in the end? Did the book get pulled from sale?

No you can still buy new copies today. and its author still works on his monthly magazine 'Trials' .

[Manicmonday]

18 hours ago, Manicmonday said:

Quite a story, what happened in the end? Did the book get pulled from sale?

I would have thought that a book that was plagiarised would have to have been removed from sale? Strange!

[YoomDoom]

Hi Everybody, Henderpump here, Ive lost the password for this forum, it's been a while, so I am posting as a visitor.

 

Well, well, the power of the press! "There's been movement at the station for the word has got about" to paraphrase Banjo Patterson

Yes, the book in question is still in-print and available.

Apparently, and it is a matter of public record,  That one of John Hulme's publishing businesses (I am making an assumption that he was the owner/proprietor, so I stand to be corrected on that score) has been wound up owing several tens of thousands of pounds, all information available from companies house.

A regretful outcome, I would not wish it on anybody, but maybe a marker for future reference.

I understand, and again, I stand to be corrected, that John sold some titles he owned to another publisher and is now employed on contract as an editor of this new publisher's "Trials" magazine.

Whatever else you or I may think of John Hulme, and his general conduct, the two magazines he put out, all the books, yes, including the dreaded Saunders book that contains the plagiarised parts, were quality items, good pictures, good articles and informative event reports. 

All were good publications. They were easily good enough to stand on their own merits, and it's just a pity that John Hulme lost his way, got greedy, and was tempted by the easy path of lifting another author's work.

We can but hope that John does better work in his new job, without being tempted back over to the Dark Side

Just to be clear, John compounded the original error of plagiarism of Don Smith's work, in the Saunders book, by not crediting said author, and then trying to wriggle out of it when I called him on it.

All he had to do, when questioned was say,"yes its stuff-up, I'm fixing it" Instead he tried to fob me off with bullsh*t about him considering the matter closed, and then, when pressed further, threatening me with legal action, because HE felt threatened, and when I gave that short shrift, he came up with the story that Don Smith said it was all right. Even if John Hulme was good at reading a ouija board, he still should have credited Don In the extensive thanks section in the back of the book.

I have repeated my question to Steve Saunders as to whether or not Steve should refund the purchase price of the book plus postage back to the UK from Australia, and await developments with bated breath!

I rather hope Steve repeats his opinion that he did not feel it to be appropriate, because it is a cracking read, and deserves a place on any trials enthusiasts book shelf, and I'd like to keep it

Much fun, I must say! 

best regards,

Joe Henderson

[Tr1AL]

Hi there John.

[YoomDoom]

Hi everybody,

Joe Henderson here again under the YoomDoom tag, because I still can't remember the password for Henderpump!

I was amazed and heartened to see Dougie Lampkin's fairly brutal and direct post on his facebook distancing himself and his brand from the up-coming bookazine "Dougie Lampkin, the making of a world champion".

Intrigued as to what could have sparked such a clear denouncement, clarification and dire warning not to advertise or pre-order the publication,I delved further.

Imagine my surprise and delight to find out that the person behind it all is none  other than "Little Jonnie Hulme" the erstwhile publisher and power behind YouMee ( I may have spelled that incorrectly) publishing, and as is documented in previous comments on this post, the man responsible for the plagiarism of whole swathes of Don Smith's early work "Ride it, the complete book of motorcycle trials, Don Smith with Graham Forsdyke" in Steve Saunders' book "On Trial, my life in motorcycle trials"

There may be extenuating circumstances and details of the relationship between Little Jonnie and Dougie Lampkin the brand, that I am not privy to, I don't suppose that Jonnie needs Dougie's permission to publish a book about him, I may be completely wrong on that score, and I stand to be corrected.

Thinking about all this the words 'Leopard, Spots, Change and Cannot" spring to mind. It 's funny how a bad penny keeps turning up.

I feel the strange and urgent desire to write a Book, Magazine article, or maybe even a BookaZine, (with tongue firmly in cheek and with a nod and bow to the previously purloined deathless prose of Little Jonnie) 

This could sport the title, 'On Trial, my life in publishing. The making of "The Kopyright Kid" a world champion plagiarist. Pictures by Little Jonnie Hulme, words by Big Donnie Smith.

I wonder if 'The Kid' could point me in the direction of a suitable publisher?

I have pre-ordered the bookazine about, but not sanctioned by,  Dougie Lampkin. It will be interesting to see if I receive it, Jonnie may object, but then again, a quid is a quid...

I am sure that, as usual, it will be a cracking read with great pictures, a fitting adornment to any trials enthusiasts bookshelf.

A bit of a conundrum really, all of YouMee's publications and all of Little Jonnies magazines stand on their own merits, good stories, great pictures and coverage of events, he really did not have to stoop to the depths of plagiarism and laziness. 

Maybe bravado and hubris have played a part, if so I sympathise with the poor chap.

All the best,

Joe Henderson,

Sydney, Australia

 

 

[Manicmonday]

Wow, that must be the ultimate put down, when the subject of a book distances themself from it before it is published. Surely a so called professional author such as the Kopyright Kid would have contacted the subject at least before going ahead? Obviously not! It's nearly ten years since this thread started and this guy hasn't learned anything about proper publishing etiquette.

[YoomDoom]

Hi Manicmonday,

 

Agreed.

I am amazed, has it really been nearly ten years since I brought the subject up?

It would seem, that, after much niggling, correspondence back and forth, threats of legal action, the collapse of a publishing 'empire', the sale of a couple of titles to a competitor, and much scurrying around to avoid the consequences of his actions, "the Kid" has learned very little, personal opinion of course.

Either that or pomposity and bombast have come to the fore and allowed him to revisit what he probably thought (and this is just personal opinion and pure conjecture) about the don Smith debacle "I didn't  think anybody would notice"

As Einstein is supposed to have said " The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".

Maybe there is a salutary lesson there. I doubt that "Little Jonnie-The-Copyright-Kid Hulme will think so.

All the best,

Joe.