twinshocked Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 The generator is too weak to start with lights switched on. It is important to switch off the lights before starting.l] I believe that power is diverted away from the lights during starting then redirected once the motor is running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mags Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 I checked my valve clearances after the first 2 hrs running... they were spot on! Mine also starts, 2 push through then start on 3 rd... when cold, 1st kick when hot. I like the idea of one of the new light weight batteries with LED lights.... as stand alone system. Mags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiechris Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Twinshocked is correct but only on the street models - ED and 2E. They (with the full headlight setup) use a "power relay" to provide power for all the lights and horn etc. That relay is only turned on by the ECU after the engine is running. That's a good setup. On the 3E and 4E models, the small headlight is simply connected to the common 12v line and therefore, can rob power from the pump etc. That headlight is usually only 20W max so I guess they get away with it. They all plug into the 4 pole lighting connector. The 3E and 4E models connect to the red (+12V) and the green (earth) wires only. If you want to install a relay, the Yellow/Green wire in that same connector is from the ECU and provides an earth to turn on the power relay after the engine is running. Chris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Twinshocked is correct but only on the street models - ED and 2E. They (with the full headlight setup) use a "power relay" to provide power for all the lights and horn etc. That relay is only turned on by the ECU after the engine is running. That's a good setup. On the 3E and 4E models, the small headlight is simply connected to the common 12v line and therefore, can rob power from the pump etc. That headlight is usually only 20W max so I guess they get away with it. They all plug into the 4 pole lighting connector. The 3E and 4E models connect to the red (+12V) and the green (earth) wires only. If you want to install a relay, the Yellow/Green wire in that same connector is from the ECU and provides an earth to turn on the power relay after the engine is running. Chris. Ok. This is interesting. Will still check the valve clearances. How do you identify which model one has? It's brand new and didn't come with lights as some seem to from the posts above. Registered for road though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I checked my valve clearances after the first 2 hrs running... they were spot on! Mine also starts, 2 push through then start on 3 rd... when cold, 1st kick when hot. I like the idea of one of the new light weight batteries with LED lights.... as stand alone system. Mags I've bought a rear bike light which is rechargeable and has a built in inertia sensor to bring in the extra bright brake LED's. Going to see how I get on when a mate is behind me as it may be really irritating if it runs irratically. I've found some Hope cycle lights for the front but also have two super bright LED running light strips for cars. I fitted a pair to the KTM for the winter and there's no not-seeing me with them on! So would like to run those off the generator if possible with an inline switch. Failing that a battery of some sort. Just thought a battery solution could be wired to pre-heat the starter circuit - not sure if this is ok?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsawyer Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) .... How do you identify which model one has? For the 2014 / 2015 models, the eighth character in VIN is "F" on ED / 2E bikes, "C" on 3E / 4E bikes. Edited February 23, 2015 by sportsawyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ok. This is interesting. Will still check the valve clearances. How do you identify which model one has? It's brand new and didn't come with lights as some seem to from the posts above. Registered for road though. if you bought it in the UK, the dealer should have given you the indicators/speedo/lights/steering lock and if it was the ordinary (not Repsol) model, the 2015's are coming with a seat too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) if you bought it in the UK, the dealer should have given you the indicators/speedo/lights/steering lock and if it was the ordinary (not Repsol) model, the 2015's are coming with a seat tooNo way! Ok...I'll give them a call. Certainly got the seat as it's the normal model not the Repsol. Did tell the dealer I would be using on the road.I checked the valve clearances. Inlets are .07 on the loose side and exhaust valves spot on. So all good. Fantastic bit of design in making the valves accessible without removing the rocker cover. I'd rather have adjusters than shims too! Good one. Edited February 23, 2015 by chrisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 No way! Ok...I'll give them a call. Certainly got the seat as it's the normal model not the Repsol. Did tell the dealer I would be using on the road. I checked the valve clearances. Inlets are .07 on the loose side and exhaust valves spot on. So all good. Fantastic bit of design in making the valves accessible without removing the rocker cover. I'd rather have adjusters than shims too! Good one. I got 2 mirrors, 2 front indicators on rubber stalks, rear black inner mudguard with 2 indicators/taillight and full handlebar switchgear, plus steering lock and speedo head/cable and front wheel speedo drive - with my 2007 Repsol Seems you've been short changed, unless no road gear is provided for 2015's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiechris Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I'm guessing they sold you the 3E (offroad/racing/non-homolated) model rather than the ED street model. It's not just the lights there are a lot of other differences. The street model will have a catalytic converter and O2 sensor in the header pipe (along with restricted intake and exhaust). With the lights plugged in, it will also be running an emissions compliant map. Also, the fan relay is mounted behind the headlight whereas the racing model moves that to under the seat. You might have issues registering your bike if it is the 3E racing model. Rules vary from country to country. To my knowledge both the ED and 3E (red tank) models should come with the trail bike seat - I wish the Repsol version did too. Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 The generator is too weak to start with lights switched on. It is important to switch off the lights before starting. On some bikes the current is a bit too low to get starting with 1st kick. I have mounted a 1-mm-thick spacer behind the generator stator. The overlapping between rotor and Stator becomes bigger. More current is generated and thereby the ignition coil has a little bit more current. So at my 4RT it is possible to lower idle speed to 1600 rpm and it starts 1st kick cold or hot. http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee439/Rollox/Montesa%20Cota%204RT%20260/spacer.jpg http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee439/Rollox/Montesa%20Cota%204RT%20260/spaceratgeneratorcover.jpg Hi Where did the spacer come from? You make it yourself? Looks like a pro job. Out with a friend on Saturday and it was a pain to start on a number of occasions. It's strange. If you restart after a brief stop or stall it's fine. If it stands for a few minutes I have to boot it to stand a chance. Real pain. First kick from cold still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollox Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) Hi chrisa, I bought the spacer from Peter Schwarz in Germany for 15,- EUR. Schwarz is a Montesa dealer and a specialist for vintage and modern Montesa trialbikes. He also produces special parts for these motorcycles. Peter Schwarz Zweiradhandel Obersdorfstraße 21 56651 Niederzissen www.schwarz-zweiradhandel.de Phone 0049-2636-6198 info@schwarz-zweiradhandel.de I had seen these spacers before already in american forums, but I don`t know any more where. Bernhard Edited March 3, 2015 by rollox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hi Where did the spacer come from? You make it yourself? Looks like a pro job. Out with a friend on Saturday and it was a pain to start on a number of occasions. It's strange. If you restart after a brief stop or stall it's fine. If it stands for a few minutes I have to boot it to stand a chance. Real pain. First kick from cold still. Do you know the throttle reset technique? If it doesn't start, twist the throttle wide open and slowly push the kick start down one or two times. Then it should start with the throttle closed first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Hi chrisa, I bought the spacer from Peter Schwarz in Germany for 15,- EUR. Schwarz is a Montesa dealer and a specialist for vintage and modern Montesa trialbikes. He also produces special parts for these motorcycles. Peter Schwarz Zweiradhandel Obersdorfstraße 21 56651 Niederzissen www.schwarz-zweiradhandel.de Phone 0049-2636-6198 info@schwarz-zweiradhandel.de I had seen these spacers before already in american forums, but I don`t know any more where. Bernhard Hi Bernhard This is great info, thanks. I have a sales guy in Austria so i'll get him to speak with him! I can say 'yes', 'no' and 'car factory' (don't ask!) in German and that's about it :-) I'll get a price for more just in case others are interested too. Assume this will fit the 2015? I'll ask him. Is yours a 2014/15? Many thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisa Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Do you know the throttle reset technique? If it doesn't start, twist the throttle wide open and slowly push the kick start down one or two times. Then it should start with the throttle closed first time. Hi, Yes, the dealer told me to kick the bike 3 times on full throttle to reset the ECU. Will one kick do it? Regards Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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